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To: photodawg

What if she died as a result of something they had not planned? She had asthma. She had been drinking alcohol. If she was slipped a "date rape drug", which has been a common theory, she could have reacted by not breathing normally. Even unto death. Or suppose there was some unwanted advances, and she tried to get away, but slipped and fell, hitting her head very hard. Or suppose Joran and or the brothers became extremely angry at Natalee and tried to "subdue" her, not meaning to kill her, but did so accidentally.


382 posted on 08/02/2005 9:13:48 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette

If his PVDS wasn't visiting every day, wonder if LE could get away with telling JVDS that they had found Natalee (without giving any details)to get his reaction?


383 posted on 08/02/2005 9:16:54 PM PDT by pnz1
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To: txrangerette
doesn't matter now whether "IT" was an accident or not....

they deliberately stone walled the polis after pointing their dirty little fingers at two apparently innocent people...they have not been helpful to a griveing mother and father...not to mention driving us all to the point of insanity....for that alone, they should be hung......

I think whatever happened probably was accidental.......but they have lost any room for sympathy.....

385 posted on 08/02/2005 9:51:01 PM PDT by cherry
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To: txrangerette
doesn't matter now whether "IT" was an accident or not....

they deliberately stone walled the polis after pointing their dirty little fingers at two apparently innocent people...they have not been helpful to a griveing mother and father...not to mention driving us all to the point of insanity....for that alone, they should be hung......

I think whatever happened probably was accidental.......but they have lost any room for sympathy.....

386 posted on 08/02/2005 9:51:01 PM PDT by cherry
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To: txrangerette; cherry

I too think it was an accident, manslaughter. They didn't mean for her to die. She was just supposed to go away the next day.

But as cherry says, they have lost any room for sympathy, at this point.

Doesn't everyone know at this point that the coverup is always the problem? No more coverups. Just own up to it, whatever it is. You screw up, you take the hit. It's much better in the end.


398 posted on 08/02/2005 10:14:34 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: txrangerette

All of your 'what if' theories, still puts the blame on the boys. They still caused each scenario to happen.


407 posted on 08/02/2005 11:08:13 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: txrangerette
In that case, it would make more sense for them to set up the death as having been accidental, and trust to JVDS's connections to make that explanation stick. That would certainly be better for them than this wall-to-wall media coverage and body search, whether the body is there to be found or not.
427 posted on 08/03/2005 5:47:19 AM PDT by xnphn
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To: txrangerette
What if she died as a result of something they had not planned?
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I'm not arguing that those guys "couldn't have killed her. I'm simply saying that in the absence of any physical evidence at all, that maybe she is not "DEAD". The possibility exists that these guys were involved in a scheme designed to get Natalie to someone who would use her for his purposes. Let's try to think outside the box. She's a beautiful girl, many would pay handsomely to have access to her. If the three friends had this in mind when they took her, then they can never be tried for a murder that wasn't committed, there would be no physical evidence, and most importantly, Natalie is still alive somewhere being abused. If authorities investigated this possibility they would only need to check neighboring ports, during the time frame following the disappearance, also flight schedules , passenger lists etc. This should have been done anyway, there is nothing to lose following this line of inquiry. Young people are abducted all the time for all kinds of reasons.
429 posted on 08/03/2005 6:12:14 AM PDT by photodawg
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To: txrangerette
What if she died as a result of something they had not planned? She had asthma. She had been drinking alcohol. If she was slipped a "date rape drug", which has been a common theory, she could have reacted by not breathing normally. Even unto death. Or suppose there was some unwanted advances, and she tried to get away, but slipped and fell, hitting her head very hard. Or suppose Joran and or the brothers became extremely angry at Natalee and tried to "subdue" her, not meaning to kill her, but did so accidentally.

All things considered, those are my thoughts of what happened, something bad happened, either someone drugged her or they tried to make advances and she resisted and either way she was killed because of their actions...

The rest of kidnapping and such is IMO a very slight possibility, with the only thing I see pointing in that direction is the fact that the three boys were seen sitting in their vehicle near the pond, as if waiting for something or someone. That and VDS gambling debts. But with the large reward, if she was kidnapped, someone would talk or she would be returned. Too many people would have to know something and the rewards would be worth the risk for some underling to talk.

PVDS telling them no body no crime points to her being dead and the body well hidden. Their story about her falling on the sidewalk as Mark Fuhrman so well put it points to an alibii for blunt head trauma if she was found. I think she was killed and put one place then moved when PVDS got involved. JMO.

As the parents put it the three or four know what happened to her. ALE botched it in the beginning either by ineptitude or corruption and it will take a near miracle to find her and convict the culprits and get Justice in a court of law now. The pond is still a possibility when it dries out. The weak link is probably Satish, and he is the one I would work on...

I wish I knew which brother got mad at the domino game when it was mentioned someone saw them in the care together early am.

440 posted on 08/03/2005 7:16:09 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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