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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 12
Various News Outlets | 8/2/05

Posted on 08/02/2005 7:55:42 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; bethandjug; carloscharlies; daviejoneslocker; deepak; disappear; drugcartel; everyoneschild; fbi; generalissimofranco; getalife; greta; investigation; joran; jug; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessedkooks; yawn
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To: Tarheel

I just posted on another thread, after reading about a couple on a cruise who were drugged and the wife raped while stopped in Aruba, that this is possibly what happened to Natalie, only she died from the drug.

Is that what you were talking about? Anyway, my son says that it happens all the time to girls in bars. It happened to his girlfriend while he was away. She went to a bar with her brother and woke up in the hospital. Apparently she got into a cab and couldn't tell the driver where she wanted to go and he took her to the hospital. She has no recollection of getting into the cab.


481 posted on 08/03/2005 9:31:37 AM PDT by Eva
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To: TexKat

The suffering dog that Greta happened upon is about par for the course in Aruba:

"Aruba is inhabited by an army of stray dogs and cats that are in the worst possible health. These animals try to survive as best they can and cats are better survivors than dogs. Cats hunt lizards, small birds and rodents and manage to stay alive ‘on a shoestring’. Dogs are less fortunate and when left to their own devices, most do not live for more than two-years.

Obviously, many natives of Aruba have not yet discovered the joys of owning a pet, nor have they developed respect for animal life. The statistics below illustrate the urgent need for education and rapid implementation of a Neuter and Spaying program

Euthanization figures 1999 2000 2001 2002
Dogs 4951 5988 6123 5236
Cats 3052 3065 2912 2615
Total 8003 9059 9036 7851"

Nice place.


482 posted on 08/03/2005 9:36:37 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: cajungirl; TAquinas
Drinking, vomiting and choking are in the realm.

Give it up old lady...... you should be familiar with that 'Cajun' behavior.

And your "desirable" disk jockey in Aruba is a bloated, ugly, slovenly slob.............. but, ....... there is no accounting for taste in your sweaty, uncouth state.

Yeh, go ahead................ flame away!

;-)

You'd be better off spending some time thinking about something a little more important ............ not sleazy foolishness and criminality in that rathole, Aruba!

Nothing will come of all that intrigue..... you will just end up being a needy and useless participant in an absurd soap opera.

Try a life.

483 posted on 08/03/2005 9:36:49 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: Andy'smom; NCjim; sissyjane; antceecee; ruoflaw; Mare; cyborg; kcvl; maggief; Fritzy; truthluva; ...
From Blogs for Natalee:

Jossy Mansur confirms that Joran van der Sloot has a history on the island of drinking, gambling, and most importantly SLIPPING PILLS INTO GIRLS’ DRINKS.

Download and view video here: http://thepoliticalteen.com/video/jossy82.wmv

484 posted on 08/03/2005 9:37:31 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

surprise, surprise.................. more soap!


485 posted on 08/03/2005 9:38:11 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: TexKat
SLIPPING PILLS INTO GIRLS’ DRINKS. ---

Damn......... who couldn't have figured that out about two months ago?

What a joke!

486 posted on 08/03/2005 9:40:45 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: TexKat

Thanks for posting the Greta wire. Very sad description of poor Dave at the landfill....poor man. Also sad about the Aruban treatment of animals. You can tell a lot about a person about their treatment of animals, IMHO. Good for Greta for trying to help them.


487 posted on 08/03/2005 9:40:47 AM PDT by pies
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To: TexKat
.......... and I'll bet the kid takes steroids too!

Really!

He's a creep, he did it................. and no one will never know.

Aruba is just a DUMP!

488 posted on 08/03/2005 9:43:26 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: beyond the sea

Out of Vaseline this morning I see.


489 posted on 08/03/2005 9:44:27 AM PDT by Malichi (We All Have To Settle Our Accounts Someday)
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To: cajungirl

........... and you're not.


490 posted on 08/03/2005 9:44:56 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: Malichi; Admin Moderator
Out of Vaseline this morning I see

You are acting in a disgusting manner........ go get your vibrator........ is THAT as classless and rotten as you just wrote?

Keep your rottenness to your family.

491 posted on 08/03/2005 9:48:06 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: pies

CBS News legal consultant Wendy Murphy on The Early Show Wednesday (Photo: CBS/The Early Show)

Expert: No Body, No Natalee Case

CBS) Joran van der Sloot, the 17-year-old who is the sole suspect still being held in connection with the disappearance in Aruba more than two months ago of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, is likely to be released unless Holloway's body, or some forensic evidence, is found, concludes one legal expert.

CBS News consultant Wendy Murphy told The Early Show co-anchor Hannah Storm Wednesday, "The bottom line is there are only three people who know what happened, at best. And that's the Kalpoe brothers and Joran."

Van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, who were detained and later released, were the last people seen in public with Holloway, 18, before she vanished in the early hours of May 30 on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the island.

"They've (van der Sloot and the two brothers) done an awful good job covering for themselves," Murphy says. "And frankly, the real problem here is that they were allowed to be free for some 18 days before they were really put under the microscope and subjected to real interrogation. That gave them an awful lot of time to talk to each other, to talk to Joran's father, a judge-to-be, and get their stories straight to some extent. (It enabled them) literally be able to go to the police with something that gave them cover, enough so that the Kalpoes are now free and Joran is likely to be released at the end of this investigation, because he knows enough not to implicate himself. That's the biggest problem here."

Murphy continued, "I think without a body, frankly, or without at least some forensic evidence indicating that she died a violent death, this case really isn't prosecutable.

"Of course, I say that in the absence of a confession. But we're not going to see that from Joran. He's been held for some 64 days or so, or a couple of months. He knows that if he just holds on for a little bit longer, he ultimately will be released if there's no body found.

"That's the unfortunate nature of this case. You can't prosecute a man without at least some evidence that she's dead, let alone that she died a violent death."

Van der Sloot was questioned for several hours Wednesday by behavioral experts brought in from Holland, as the FBI watched.

Murphy doubts their efforts will mean much.

"I'm not sure this will ever amount to evidence that they can use against him. What they're trying to do is ratchet up the pressure. We know he's made an awful lot of inconsistencies describing at least two very important different stories about when he was last with Natalee.

"I think what they're really trying to do here is also just be able to develop a tiny bit more evidence so that when the next release date possibility comes up in September, they can say to the judge, 'Please let us keep him more, because we do have this additional evidence in that the behavioral specialists have come in and literally created a report that says this guy is not credible. So please let us hold him for a little bit more.' They really do have to produce additional evidence in order to be able to hold him. I think that's what we're really seeing here."

492 posted on 08/03/2005 9:48:26 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: beyond the sea; admin

I just thought you might be in a foul mood due to chapped lips or something.


493 posted on 08/03/2005 9:49:39 AM PDT by Malichi (We All Have To Settle Our Accounts Someday)
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To: justche
I think this is a really intriguing question.
Could you walk away from everything else if you knew where Natalee was?
If you had no guarantee dead or alive--I'm not sure.
Alive --sure just give her back.

Thank you, justche.
I've been thinking, what is the goal here?
What price would you pay for the truth about your daughter, even if it meant the perp would go free?
I think I'd want the truth no matter what.

494 posted on 08/03/2005 9:51:29 AM PDT by b9
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To: beyond the sea

Do you have something to add to this discussion or do you just want to continue to post your thoughts that we should be doing something else besides discusing this incident?


495 posted on 08/03/2005 9:52:49 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: texasbluebell
"Doesn't everyone know at this point that the coverup is always the problem? No more coverups. Just own up to it, whatever it is. You screw up, you take the hit. It's much better in the end."

I've always said that if Simpson would have just confessed that he lost all control and flew into a rage and he was SO SORRY about killing Nicole and Ron, a merciful ( and silly) public would have let him go with a manslaughter charge, he'd been out in a few years, and the toast of the town and writing a book, etc.....

the coverup IS always the problem....

496 posted on 08/03/2005 9:53:59 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Malichi
I just thought you might be in a foul mood due to chapped lips or something.

Your attempt at humor may be as poor as your breeding.

But............. having made foolish comments before myself, I would like to forgive that "vaseline" comment of yours!

Please be well............ Thom

p.s. --- KY is my choice.

;-)

497 posted on 08/03/2005 9:54:27 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: doodlelady

Speaking as a mother of 2 daughters, I would do anything to get at the truth, even if the perp went free. But I'd spend the rest of my days going after him.


498 posted on 08/03/2005 9:56:34 AM PDT by pies
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There's newly released home video of missing teenager Natalee Holloway. Volunteers in Aruba continue to search for clues. On CBS News, legal analyst Wendy Murphy comments on case.
499 posted on 08/03/2005 9:57:48 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: cajungirl
Good poem and thought. Would I? I don't know but I wonder if the choice was given to the HT's what they would do.

I just don't know.

I would let him plea down to give up her body.

Thank you, cajungirl. I don't know either. I think not ever knowing what happened would be worse than anything.
Aruba doesn't even have the 'plea-down' option, do they?

500 posted on 08/03/2005 9:58:07 AM PDT by b9
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