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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 12
Various News Outlets | 8/2/05

Posted on 08/02/2005 7:55:42 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; bethandjug; carloscharlies; daviejoneslocker; deepak; disappear; drugcartel; everyoneschild; fbi; generalissimofranco; getalife; greta; investigation; joran; jug; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessedkooks; yawn
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To: RGVTx
Tito said he had not heard anything on the "slave" angle, and didn't put any credence in the story. Jossy said he had not heard anything on the "slave" angle, and didn't put any credence in the story.

Therefore, that is the FIRST way I would turn in the investigation. Along with the chick who represents the Aruban govt on Greta most evenings, these people are flaks for the gov't or for whatever is going on behind this story.

Weeks and weeks Beth and family and supporters there have been led on wild goose chases.

From now on, whatever "investigative journalists" or gov't lawyers suggest as leads---do the OPPOSITE.

For the Arubans, it's all about running out the clock until September 4.

1,901 posted on 08/05/2005 7:49:06 PM PDT by gg188
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The Gardener went back home to Colombia. He was fired from his job and was threaten with home eviction by his landlord. Plus cameras and media have been following him around on the island.

It seems like anyone who comes forth with any information gets fired from their jobs. No wonder people are not coming forward with information.


1,902 posted on 08/05/2005 7:50:31 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: TAquinas

I know . . . I wish I hadn't seen it!


1,903 posted on 08/05/2005 7:51:24 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: stlnative

Since Jossy was so impressed and involved with this witness, you would think he would have sheltered him. Geeze! You are involved in this in a big way, see a poor dumb guy being harassed, know he is "limited" and you jjust watch till he leaves the country.

Does Jossy think we were all born yesterday.


1,904 posted on 08/05/2005 7:52:42 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Beth and Dave want to know the facts surrounding their daughters disappearance and will do anything to get their daughter back....dead or alive. I'm sure they were told that if they were to come down hard on the Aruban Govt. they would be deported . It's all about the Aruban tourist industry and $. A happy Island!


1,905 posted on 08/05/2005 7:53:21 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland ("Consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies")
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To: theophilusscribe

I thought it was vulgar but not particularly horrid. I have seen worse and think most teens have too.

It wasn't a dead body, that is worse to me.


1,906 posted on 08/05/2005 7:54:35 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: stlnative
It seems like anyone who comes forth with any information gets fired from their jobs.

You are right. The "DJ" from the party boat got fired. Also, didn't the security guards get fired?

People are clearly afraid to talk for fear of retaliation.

I bet a reporter on a high school newspaper could break this part of the story----how people are afraid to come forward, and why. Wonder why the local Aruban "journalists" don't go after this like bulldogs, like 5,000 journalists in Washington go after conservative nominiees for anything?

1,907 posted on 08/05/2005 7:54:41 PM PDT by gg188
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To: cajungirl
They seem awfully gleeful to me. And they keep insisting that Joran did NOT come on strong and wasn't paying much attention to Natalee.
1,908 posted on 08/05/2005 7:55:26 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: gg188

The atmosphere on that island is conducive to silence.

We dive alot on Bonaire. A few years ago that sleepy wonderful island changed with the opening of casinos and the building of a huge extravagent complex with big ole boats and very rich looking people.

I asked our long time friend there about it and he was just dumbstruck. Mentioned in a sort of whisper about drug money and then clammed up. Everything changed after that.

I think once the mobsters get to an island, the people get scared, the govt gets bought off and bad things happen to those who talk too much.


1,909 posted on 08/05/2005 7:57:26 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: theophilusscribe

I can only say for his sake that I hope it's a female, rather than male that he's doing that to.

He's got enough problems as it is, without adding in THAT.


1,910 posted on 08/05/2005 7:58:05 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: varina davis

They seemed gleeful?

To me they seemed sort of surprised or shocked by things. They looked like nice girls in a state of disbelief. They were awkard like teen girls, unused to Greta interviewing them. They were kind of innocent to me, nice, polite, respectful.

I would not use the word gleeful.


1,911 posted on 08/05/2005 7:58:55 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl
Does Jossy think we were all born yesterday.

Jossy, like Tito, and all the other Arubans who appear on Nancy and Greta, are there to mislead and throw everyone off the real trail. I guess Greta and Nancy are in a situation where they can't really "call them out," because they need to maintain relations with people there who assist with their coverage of the story.

1,912 posted on 08/05/2005 7:58:59 PM PDT by gg188
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To: cajungirl

Vulgar is an excellent word for it. Yes, I have seen worse as well, but it is an interesting contrast to the girls that were on tonight. Dontcha think?


1,913 posted on 08/05/2005 8:00:03 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: gg188

Pitiful isn't it. That damned little island is running circles around everyone.


1,914 posted on 08/05/2005 8:00:34 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: theophilusscribe

yep. Those girls were innocents. They are in disbelief. They know it could have been them. It has to be unbelievable for them.


1,915 posted on 08/05/2005 8:01:40 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: theophilusscribe
Goody Goody! Throwing the underlings a bone. That POS should rot in he!!. He is a predator and should never see the light of day again! Sorry all, I had to have a mini rant.
1,916 posted on 08/05/2005 8:02:13 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland ("Consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies")
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To: cajungirl
I just asked my admittedly old fashioned, old hubby if he in his younger days went around biting the crotches of other guys,,I think he may need to do an intervention but doesn't know how to tell the children that I am overe the edge.

LOL!

Well, whether it is a guy or a girl in that photo with J, I don't know, looks sort of like a girl's body, but then the hand looks male, some guy may just be holding her from behind.

J looks a bit younger in that photo, doesn't he? He certainly has left a photographic record of his carousing on the internet.

1,917 posted on 08/05/2005 8:02:54 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

If Joran knew many girls who allowed him to chomp on their, well, nether regions in public while dancing, he has to have a skewed view of girls. He must see them as animals and the girl in that pic sure allowed him to chomp.

My word, my word. What else is there to say?


1,918 posted on 08/05/2005 8:04:35 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: varina davis
I wouldn't say gleeful but they don't seem to upset or stressed out about her missing. They never have seemed upset or stressed out over it even from the time they first got in front of the cameras.

I look at them as being typical "well-off" teenagers but their emotions are not running high like I would have expected. If I was Natalee's friend I think I would be very upset and emotional. I would not be able to hide it.
1,919 posted on 08/05/2005 8:05:23 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: gg188
Tito said he had not heard anything on the "slave" angle, and didn't put any credence in the story. Jossy said he had not heard anything on the "slave" angle, and didn't put any credence in the story.

Therefore, that is the FIRST way I would turn in the investigation.

I have myself gone back to that theory, just earlier tonight, in fact, and started reading up on it again.

Those 3 "boys" are covering not for each other, but for some big players.

This harkens back to what Sen. Shelby said right in the beginning of this case.

1,920 posted on 08/05/2005 8:05:40 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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