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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 12
Various News Outlets | 8/2/05

Posted on 08/02/2005 7:55:42 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; bethandjug; carloscharlies; daviejoneslocker; deepak; disappear; drugcartel; everyoneschild; fbi; generalissimofranco; getalife; greta; investigation; joran; jug; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessedkooks; yawn
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To: maggief

was Beth notified by the hotel that the tape had a gap when they allowed her to view it early on?

Or did she notice one?

I can't recall.


181 posted on 08/02/2005 1:51:31 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Froufrou
Why can't the tape be spliced? What's the protocol on the tapes, are they viewed at the end of each security shift, or by the head of security each day?

A tape can be spliced, but if it broke while recording, nothing past the time it "broke" wold be recorded. I don't know their procedure, but most places only review tapes if there has been a problem...they of course should have noted that a tape had malfunctioned..either the tapes are old or the recorder has a problem or that ever faithful -operator error- was the cause...

182 posted on 08/02/2005 1:52:17 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: TAquinas
The problem is that there were 47 posts back and forth on the missing cruise ship guy, then there were 65 posts, including this post, back and forth where everyone defended their honor and position.

That's 112 posts

That's 62.9% of the posts on this thread

That's the point. Tie up the thread. Piss everyone off. Sit back and laugh over on the Cruise ship thread. Right, Froufrou?

TAW

183 posted on 08/02/2005 1:55:56 PM PDT by Malichi (We All Have To Settle Our Accounts Someday)
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To: Palladin

But isn't there a cistern (not deep) on their property? 'Seems I saw a picture....or was that an illustration of a cistern cover?


184 posted on 08/02/2005 1:56:30 PM PDT by Carolinamom (Life is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: demsux
I would think a moneymaker like a hotel/casino could afford a hi-res DVR surveillance system.

Absolutely! Such big money makes it a big target. They most likely have excellent suveillance . . . until it suits them not to have it . . .

185 posted on 08/02/2005 1:56:36 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: Froufrou
Why can't the tape be spliced? What's the protocol on the tapes, are they viewed at the end of each security shift, or by the head of security each day?

Good questions. Of course, I don't know the answers, so I can't help you with them . . . Sorry! But they're really good questions! LOL!

Be interesting to know the protocol of such things from a security expert. Greta needs to have one on! :o)

186 posted on 08/02/2005 2:00:23 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: theophilusscribe

From SM poster sunmoonstars
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:53 pm Post subject:




Jossy on Bill O Monday

Deepak went back to work, Satish will start school in 2 weeks.

I would make a sure bet that the Kalpoes will be rearrested

Joran said very plainly, we have an exact copy of the police statement where Joran said he THINKS Deepak raped and murdered Natalee on the beach

On the 10th of June, JORAN stated WE buried the girl
Bets PVDS will be arrested

They will be suspects for the next two years

I would ask myself this question:
What reason does he have to volunteer information that incriminates one of the men that was with him on the beach? At the same time incriminating himself as an accomplice?
Bill O asks him if he would get in trouble for giving information?

No, I would not get in trouble. The first thing they would do is demand a retraction in court. We have not heard from an attorney yet.


187 posted on 08/02/2005 2:02:58 PM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
question: Was this "the tape was broken" issue a result of the school Principal's comment to Jug's friends? If so, then it hasn't been determined that it is true. Right? Or, did I miss something along the way and it has been verified that there is a problem with the tape?
188 posted on 08/02/2005 2:03:03 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: TexKat

Under Arubian law is it possible to get a search warrant for PVS's property? After searching everywhere else, it seems there would be probable cause.


189 posted on 08/02/2005 2:03:11 PM PDT by Carolinamom (Life is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Froufrou

I don't think Greta is in this for any reason other than to report the story and help in finding Natalee.

I think Greta has done an outstanding job of reporting on this. That is why I am so puzzled by her not making the connection between VDS and PVDS.

Mapping the history of the relationship between VDS and PVDS shouldn't be that difficult. I can't understand why this has not been explored by Greta. Seems a natural course to take when speaking about whether there is or isn't a cover up by VDS and PVDS.


190 posted on 08/02/2005 2:03:57 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: RGVTx
I think Van der Straaten is up to his eyeballs in this, at least in the cover up.

Competely agree. And I am getting a strange feeling that this is a thread of corruption that winds its way throughout the halls of the Aruban government. . .

The friendship/alliance between PVDS and VDS is obvious. Yet, Greta seems unaware of this.

I imagine she needs to be very cautious about stuff like that. If she starts making blanket accusations without concrete proof, she could spoil it for the H/T family, and also draw fire for Fox. It would do no one any good whatsoever if the American media gets kicked out of there . . . I think she is trying to be as fair to all parties as possible (which is why she has interviewed Mama Kalpoe, etc.), though you can tell she is most friendly and compassionate towards the H/T family.

191 posted on 08/02/2005 2:06:46 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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Has yesterday's search of the Atlantis Hotel
been reported anywhere in the MSM? Diario?
I realize they didn't find anything but it was a
"fresh" location and should have been on the news
someplace. What's up with that? Anybody know?


192 posted on 08/02/2005 2:10:23 PM PDT by bolta_lightnin (*Warning* This thread has just been haunted.)
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To: stlnative

Actually, stlnative, there's alot of wisdom in that. I think that is part of the reason that Beth went back to B'ham. Step back and get some clarity.

I'm up to my ears in work today, so I am just taking a break and seeing what's new.

You and hubby have fun! :o)


193 posted on 08/02/2005 2:10:56 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: theophilusscribe

I'm not saying Greta should be making accusations. But if she is going to show reasons why there might not be a cover up between VDS and PVDS, then why not show the reasons there could be a cover up? No need to make accusations, just report the histoy of their relationship. You know, fair and balanced! LOL!


194 posted on 08/02/2005 2:12:12 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: maggief
Speaking of tin foil hats ... I read a theory that SC went to jail to alert JvdS to change his story from dropping Natalee off at the HI to the Marriott. The columbian necktie was a warning to keep their mouths shut. FWIW

I think I read that one too!

I think it had to do with a girl being raped, and they put a decapitated dog on her lawn? Is that right?

Tell you what, it makes some sence. If all the mafia/drug cartel/human trafficking angle plays into this in any way at all, that kind of warning would be par for the course . . .

But, like I said, I forgot to wear my tinfoil hat. Har har

195 posted on 08/02/2005 2:15:28 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: one of His mysterious ways
Perhaps he took them off at the beach and when he got ready to leave he could only find one. Maybe he thought he would go back the next day and look for the other one, but people started questioning him about Natalee and he couldn't look.

Most people I see at a beach take their shoes off until they are ready to leave. I've seen coolers, watches, glasses...and even shoes abandoned on beaches. With all the partying that goes on there, it isn't so hard to believe.

196 posted on 08/02/2005 2:17:58 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: theophilusscribe
Maggie's theory makes a helluva lot more sense than Croes' own reason for being put in jail.
197 posted on 08/02/2005 2:18:32 PM PDT by Malichi (We All Have To Settle Our Accounts Someday)
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To: Froufrou
No, I would not get in trouble. The first thing they would do is demand a retraction in court. We have not heard from an attorney yet.

Very interesting! So the Kalpoes demand a retraction from Beth, but not from Jossy? File that one under: things that make you go, "Hmmmm?"

198 posted on 08/02/2005 2:18:45 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: Krodg

Hell, Krodg, with the type of partying that goes on there, I bet Joran thought he was flying home in magic shoes.


199 posted on 08/02/2005 2:20:49 PM PDT by Malichi (We All Have To Settle Our Accounts Someday)
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To: RGVTx
I'm not saying Greta should be making accusations. But if she is going to show reasons why there might not be a cover up between VDS and PVDS, then why not show the reasons there could be a cover up? No need to make accusations, just report the histoy of their relationship. You know, fair and balanced! LOL!

Funny! :o) And I agree . . .

You know, RGVTx, now that I'm thinking about it, didn't Geraldo hit that aspect pretty hard? Ya think there could be a kind of media good cop/bad cop going on?

200 posted on 08/02/2005 2:23:10 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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