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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 12
Various News Outlets | 8/2/05

Posted on 08/02/2005 7:55:42 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; bethandjug; carloscharlies; daviejoneslocker; deepak; disappear; drugcartel; everyoneschild; fbi; generalissimofranco; getalife; greta; investigation; joran; jug; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessedkooks; yawn
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To: RGVTx

Yes, it sure sounds like it.

Did you hear the gardner on Greta's show? I wonder if he is hiding or is missing? If he shows up dead someone... yikes!


1,341 posted on 08/04/2005 7:19:20 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: Sunshine55

Nor should you, probably.

There is too much anger and sniping here. I check in occasionally, but people quote as gospel the posts others have made, until it becomes impossible to follow which are the facts and which is fiction, based upon someone's 'account' who is obviously here in the States and not on Aruba.

The mother, Beth, was just on Fox news. As she is responding to reporters, it is so afar from the 'reality' which people are posting on this thread.

Probably better to stay away from the thread rather than to become drawn in to the hostility.


1,342 posted on 08/04/2005 7:21:12 PM PDT by ZOTnot ('We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good'--Hillary, 6/28/2004.)
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To: Pepper777

If he is dead whoever killed him will make sure his corpse does not pop up.


1,343 posted on 08/04/2005 7:21:34 PM PDT by stlnative (What is that strong smell coming from under the bridge?)
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To: truthluva

I thought he sounded very believable too. I'm worried about him though.


1,344 posted on 08/04/2005 7:21:41 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: Pepper777; truthluva

Okay, let's get this right, lol. It was the landfill witness. I missed most of it, darn it! So fill me in, please.


1,345 posted on 08/04/2005 7:21:48 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: Li-Li
but TexKat seems to think I am taking the enjoyment out of the other chatters.

LOL, gave you a lashing. I just asked you a question, you responded and I responded.

But funny you posted TexKat seems to think I am taking the enjoyment out of the other chatters.

You stated that that was what another poster was doing (although you were correct at the time).

Oh and by the way I have not tried to stop you from posting to anyone nor have I posted anywhere that I think that you are taking the enjoyment out of other's chatter. Tell the truth Li- Li. The truth is on this thread in black and white. I just posted what I saw and read. I believe that it has been you posting to others what they should not post.

1,346 posted on 08/04/2005 7:22:43 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Sunshine55

I saw Beth talking about the NJ girl and I didn't get what the point was. I was expecting her to come up with some physical fight between the two, or the girl was drugged, or something shady. But basically NJ girl says he was a chick magnet who was known and well liked by all. How does that point to anything nefarious? It doesn't seem to support the notion (perhaps only circulating on this board) that she was forced in the car.
On the other hand, it could point to some kind of island wide conspiracy where this boy is the fall guy for some kind of bigger and unknown activity.
And the gardener or whatever he is? He seems like he is drunk, but maybe that's just the language.


1,347 posted on 08/04/2005 7:22:49 PM PDT by libsl (I'm just sayin'....)
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To: stlnative

You're probably right!! :(

Here comes the spinner Arlene, saying she couldn't follow him. Oh brother.


1,348 posted on 08/04/2005 7:23:19 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: RGVTx

He described what he saw. A white truck with a trailer on the back, a red jeep and a yellow station wagon with woman in it. He said this was before the pictures of the 3 suspects came out. When he saw them in th paper he regonized them. He even said PVDS was there.


1,349 posted on 08/04/2005 7:24:39 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: texasbluebell

"Natalee and her friends live in a far safer, more innocent place."

You are kidding right? Ever been to Birmingham, Detroit, LA, NYC, Cleveland, Baltimore, Miami, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Chicago, shall I continue? Ever hear of Dru Sjorgen? How about the little girl in Florida buried alive with her stuffed animal? The list is endless and it leaves me speechless. Any girl who lives in the US and is unaware that the game has changed is living under a rock.

"However, when the girls go to Aruba, they have no way of realizing that they have just entered a much much darker, far more sinister, atmosphere, where young women are stalked and preyed upon."

This is just too much.


1,350 posted on 08/04/2005 7:25:50 PM PDT by Toespi (Just thinking outside the box.)
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To: Pepper777
"Interesting that the Kalpoe brothers were there too when the NJ 18 year old met Juran. According to the Mom of Juran, he was not *really* good friends with the Kalpoes. riiight!"

I don't have enough information to assign motives to any of the players except to state that it appears that Juran and the Kalpoes had a game where Juran would get a woman to leave C&C's with him and get into Kalpoes taxi and the three would share the lady. this probably was on the night before she was scheduled to leave the island.

Natalee apparently left C&C's with those three guys and hasn't been seen since. All of the rest is pretty much speculation.

1,351 posted on 08/04/2005 7:28:14 PM PDT by OldEagle (May you live long enough to hear the legends of your own adventures.)
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To: Pepper777

Watching him speak and listening to the translator, I thought this guy was very credible. I know he's not rocket scientist, but their just aren't that many of those around when you need them. His description of what he saw sounded very realistic. If he were Dutch do you think the same story would get more attention from the polis?


1,352 posted on 08/04/2005 7:30:14 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: truthluva
He described what he saw. A white truck with a trailer on the back, a red jeep and a yellow station wagon with woman in it. He said this was before the pictures of the 3 suspects came out. When he saw them in th paper he regonized them. He even said PVDS was there.

Do you remember what type of vehicle that the other El Diario reporter Herbert Teal stated that the 3 men and 2 women was driven on 6/11?

1,353 posted on 08/04/2005 7:32:49 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: truthluva

All I can say is just keep digging up the landfill, she just might be in there.


1,354 posted on 08/04/2005 7:33:43 PM PDT by stlnative (What is that strong smell coming from under the bridge?)
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To: truthluva

This was the first I heard about a yellow station wagon and a woman being at the landfill also. Is this new or am I just behind?


1,355 posted on 08/04/2005 7:33:45 PM PDT by pies
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To: Toespi

Hold on there, Toespi. I've been to Birmingham many times. It in NO WAY can be compared to Detroit, LA, NYC, Cleveland, Baltimore, Atlanta, Philly, OR Chicago. I have been to many of those cities and I can say for a FACT that comparing Birmingham to those cities is apples to oranges. Not to mention, they live in Mountain Brook, a suburb, not in Birmingham proper. World of difference. Not even close.


1,356 posted on 08/04/2005 7:34:45 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: TexKat

No I don't but I can try to find out. I'll let you know what I find.


1,357 posted on 08/04/2005 7:36:59 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: truthluva

Huston states that the dogs are acting in a way that they have not previously.


1,358 posted on 08/04/2005 7:37:38 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: pies

Me too, pies. This vehicle is new to me as well. Don't know what ot make of it yet. Gotta think about some.


1,359 posted on 08/04/2005 7:37:58 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: truthluva

I thought the landfill witness was very believable too.

It was fascinating though to hear that there were 3 cars there.

Had not heard that before.

It was the red jeep, a white pickup with a trailer, and then we have a yellow station wagon...

He did say he saw the father there.

Did he also say something about a woman watching too, was that who was in the station wagon? I think so. I wonder who that was?

He said when the wind blew, it moved the black bag halfway off the body, and he could see that the body was naked. That poor girl.


1,360 posted on 08/04/2005 7:41:25 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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