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Posted on 08/02/2005 7:55:42 AM PDT by TexKat
I speculate that Natalee was taken to the VDS property. The man and his boys are accomplices in the demise of Natalee.The Kalpoe brs. helped in the cover-up.
I never said Natalee was forced into a car. But you did say it is a fact that Natalee left with Joran with mutual consent. I'm just wondering how you can claim this to be established as fact?
There are conflicting stories as to what happened when Natalee entered the Kalpoe car. I cannot say for sure from anything that has been said exactly what happened at that moment. But you seem to have a handle on an established fact of mutual consent. Please share your source/evidence for this fact.
You forgot to include Joran lied. That has been admitted to by him and his mother.
Stories do not match up, but who is telling the truth and who is lying? We don't know.
I'm not sure about the part about the Kalpoes. I think it totally possible they dropped Joran off and left.
Well, I can only say, that if I were forced into a car and as it was pulling away, I would not be laughing. I would be screaming for help and from what I have heard there were quite a few people there when she pulled away and have said she did not appear to be in trouble. I think it has been well established by witnesses that she was not under any duress.
Did they actually implicate the guards?
We know for a fact the Joran has changed his lying over a dozen times. By the Way, you stated in a previous post that Natalee was drinking, flirting, gambling. Where did you get this info? Why not say that she was partying and having fun as young people do. Do not blame Natalee. Please....
You make a good point. I don't know.
Why do we care who owns that hotel?
How do we know this for a fact if the authorities will not comment?
But Deepak was there when Beth came to the island. They were all shook-up-JVDS, PVDS and Kalpoe. They knew the Twitty's were on their way. PVDS would not let them in the gate. Sent them on a wild goose chase. In the meantime Deepak and JVDS did something with the body for sure.
I don't know. I think Joran killed her, intentionally or by accident. The cover-up was engineered by Papa. I don't think the body was anywhere near the VDS property by the time the Twitty's got there.
"Well, I can only say, that if I were forced into a car and as it was pulling away, I would not be laughing. I would be screaming for help and from what I have heard there were quite a few people there when she pulled away and have said she did not appear to be in trouble. I think it has been well established by witnesses that she was not under any duress."
Well, how would you react if you thought you were in a taxi with someone who said he was staying at the same hotel? Someone you had already met and seen at the casino in your hotel? Someone who had told others that he was an exchange student from Holland staying at the HI? Are you willing to consider this scenario?
I don't think we know enough to assume consensual or not. We have people that have indicated that taxis come in all shapes and sizes in Aruba. We have people saying that she seemed okay in the car. We have people saying she would never have willingly gotten into a car with those guys. To say it was consensual or not will depend upon how much you really know about her and the atmosphere that night.
Until all parties involved - Joran, Natalee, Deepak and Satish - agree on the same story we are not going to know. They can question the MB kids all they want, but they are not going to know either. Yet, everyone keeps asking them to answer that question. They aren't going to know.
"I think it has been well established by witnesses that she was not under any duress."
Yes, indeed. There was no duress that I have heard of.
So, what are the other possibilities?
1. Her faculties were impaired by alcohol or drugs dropped in her drinks. This theory has been dismissed too as far as I know.
2. She voluntarily left with the boys.
But whatever the reasons, why didn't the other girls stop her from leaving with strangers? The reason I read for not doing this is that at closing time the place was very chaotic. But I do not agree with this reason simply because they came in as group and should have left as a group. Where were the chaperons that night? I read two versions as to the number of chaperons. One says there were none; the other says there was only one.
I can answer your question. YES. They did implicate the black guards. Because they happen to be in te area and they had seen them around. They have since changed their stories. Another lie.
All the MB kids were impaired to some degree. They were not watching out for one another. The chaperones were not there. It boils down to Natalee trusting the wrong person and no responsible person to overrule her. A fatal mistake in this case.
Because Jossy stated that he is in contact with the LE. He gets information. Now do not say Jossy lies.
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