Bush supports 'intelligent design'

MyrtleBeach Online ^ | 02 August 2005 | Ron Hutcheson

[mlc9852]

Everyone is a bad person. What you believe or don't believe has nothing to do with that. Some scientists even think humans are "wired" spiritually. But maybe some people just aren't.

[RadioAstronomer]

I feel this country slowly sliding back into the superstitious middle ages.

Try rapidly. And not just this country.

[adam_az]

"Evolution is no different than any religion
in that you have a bunch of facts you conclude
lead to evolution, but those facts don't prove
it."

ID is no different than any religion in that you have a no facts that lead to ID, but you believe it anyway.

[GraniteStateConservative]

That's funny...that's exactly what the Clintons said about Heather Has Two Mommies.

Regardless of ones views on creationism/ID/evolution, that's a spot-on point. The "people" he's talking about are minors, children. And he seems to base his policy on exposure of information to these kids on how different the information is from what they already know about, and that alone. Lots of controversial things could fall under that line of thinking.

[aculeus]

I love the President, but sometimes ...

Exactly.

[Clara Lou]

You do notice that Bush is qouted only once in the article, and that quote is "I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought," Bush said. "You're asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas. The answer is 'yes.'"
I don't find that this quote indicates that Bush supports ID. The article, as it's presented, is baloney. It's propaganda fabricated out of whole cloth.

[doc30]

How very astute of you to spot Bush's hypocracy. Bush is a good leader and has his feet on the ground. But when it comes to science issues, statements like this about ID clearly show how he is trying to be politically diplomatic and scientifically illiterate at the same time.

[Liberty Valance]

"I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought," Bush said. "You're asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas. The answer is 'yes.'"

He's right.

[RadioAstronomer]

Yes, all those who don't believe in evolution are superstitious, backwards hicks. LOL

No.

If you remember, often I have stated "I DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION" on these threads. However, I do accept the prodigious mountain of evidence that supports the scientific theory of evolution that has been painstakingly accumulated for more than 150 years (even to the point of scientists and philosophers losing their lives in that pursuit).

This is not unlike asking you “do you believe that you will fall down towards the earth if you step out of a flying airplane”? Silly question huh. Of course you will fall towards the earth. No belief necessary.

Here is the rub. Do you think gravity is real? Remember there is a theory of gravity as well.

In fact, there is far more accumulated evidence and discovery describing the details of evolutionary theory than gravitational theory.

[DGray]

I'd like to think your interpretation is correct, so I will relax until I see him quoted as saying he thinks ID should be taught as science.

[RadioAstronomer]

Yes basically. I've seen it said here too.

See post #50.

[doc30]

unfortunately, if IDer philosophy supplats scientific rational, then we may well be looking at people being elected that have such a theological bent that if you do not subscribe to their beliefs you will be an underclass of society. But then again, if science is scrapped for the sake of religion, thee will be plenty of other developed countires where someone with a strong technical and/or scientific background can flourish. After all, once the U.S. discards science, it will no longer be able to sustain itself as a strong country.

[Rudder]

I don't find that this quote indicates that Bush supports ID.

My take as well.

[doc30]

Get your facts right. Communists, like Stalin and Mao, were anti-evolution because evolution does not fit with communist ideology.

[cyborg]

It's one thing to disagree but another to insult someone. These threads do get heated and that's why I usually avoid them.

[steve-b]

I'm willing to defend him from the charge of being a live version of Alfred E. Neumann, but I do wish he wouldn't go out of his way to make it more difficult.

[RadioAstronomer]

Where did I insult anyone?

[AntiGuv]

Bush compared the current debate to earlier disputes over "creationism,"

Well, President Bush is certainly right about that. It's the exact same debate just under a patently transparent euphemism..

[cyborg]

Not you. I've seen it in these crevo threads before which is why I avoid them.