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Cosmic rays may prevent long-haul space travel
New Scientist ^ | 8/1/05 | Rob Edwards

Posted on 08/01/2005 1:19:26 PM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: LibWhacker
Ummmmm.....Anybody at NASA ever heard of LEAD?

Seems to me a Lead coating (inside the walls and pull-down over the windows) would stop 100% of harmful rays? Or am I mistaken? Any scientists out there?


21 posted on 08/01/2005 1:31:20 PM PDT by Al Simmons (Chris Webster - America's Greatest Torch Singer - www.babyswan.com)
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To: LibWhacker

Sheesh! Just fly at night! Problem solved! ;^)


22 posted on 08/01/2005 1:32:10 PM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: Al Simmons

Lead would work very well as radiation sheilding, without a doubt.


Now figure out how to loft enough of it into orbit - that's the issue.


23 posted on 08/01/2005 1:32:54 PM PDT by steve1848
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To: Buggman

Fly to Saturn inside an MRI machine... fun.


24 posted on 08/01/2005 1:33:05 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: steve1848
>But women ... are more susceptible to breast and ovarian cancers.
Duh.

Especially the ovarian cancers. I think.

25 posted on 08/01/2005 1:34:07 PM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: LibWhacker
I hadn't heard that (I've not been as much in the loop on space travel as I used to be), but I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who has that idea.

Now we just need to better understand the processes that cause atrophy and bone loss in zero-G so we can come up with medications to counteract them, and a reliable nuclear drive, and we're all set.

26 posted on 08/01/2005 1:34:42 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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To: Vaquero

They definitely have no vision or aspirations of any kind for the human race -- except wanting each family to scratch out a primitive existence from the land.


27 posted on 08/01/2005 1:34:50 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Al Simmons

Cosmic rays woulds require yards of lead.


28 posted on 08/01/2005 1:35:09 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: LibWhacker

Just one more reason why I prefer time travel.


29 posted on 08/01/2005 1:35:32 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (You can't rollerskate in a buffalo herd, but you can be happy if you've a mind to. - Roger Miller)
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To: kms61
Does proximity to Earth shield them from cosmic rays to any extent?

The ISS is in a low enough orbit that it is protected by the Earth's magnetic field.

30 posted on 08/01/2005 1:36:25 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Tom Tancredo- The Republican Party's Very Own Cynthia McKinney.)
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To: steve1848

Considering the amount of mass they would need for a substantial space program, they ought to get the material from bodies already in space. Moon mining, asteroid mining, that kind of thing.


31 posted on 08/01/2005 1:36:35 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: Buggman

That approach would work on charged particles, but not on neutral ones. Not sure of the exact compostition of "comic rays' but I bet some of the heavy particals are not charged. Otherwise the solution would be exactly as you suggest and too simple to be over looked by the author of this piece.


32 posted on 08/01/2005 1:37:48 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: martin_fierro; woogmonster
Beat me to it!!

Yeah, but woogmonster beat us both!
33 posted on 08/01/2005 1:38:42 PM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

"BS! Isn't this what shielding is for?"


One would think so.


34 posted on 08/01/2005 1:38:48 PM PDT by Blzbba (For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
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To: Al Simmons

> Seems to me a Lead coating (inside the walls and pull-down over the windows) would stop 100% of harmful rays? Or am I mistaken?

You are mistaken. Have you considered how *thick* the lead would have to be... and what effect that mass hit would take on the vehicle?


35 posted on 08/01/2005 1:39:19 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: GSlob

Lead is not PC


36 posted on 08/01/2005 1:41:36 PM PDT by colonialhk (sooprize sooprize sooprize)
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To: LibWhacker
The article is mostly true, except the following:

The risks are smaller for older people because cancers have less time to develop. But women are always in more danger than men because they live longer...

The risks are smaller for older people because they grow less new cells. Cells that produce new cells (bone marrow, embryos) are the most susceptible. Nerve cells are almost immune to low level radiation. Women are in more danger, not because of longevity, but because of more new cell production (ovaries, mammaries).

The drinking water used for the mission, if placed around the perimeter of the ship, could reduce neutron radiation exposure. Dense materials (like lead) would have to be used to shield the astronauts from gamma/cosmic radiation. It would be quite expensive to put enough shielding into orbit and then install it on the ship. Not impossible though.

I always thought that heat dissipation would be another significant problem. Any comments?

37 posted on 08/01/2005 1:42:12 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Buggman

> I wonder whether running a magnetic field around the ship would serve to sheild the crew

Would help with electrons and protons, but won't do diddly-squat against gamma rays and neutrons, which are the dangerous ones anyway.


38 posted on 08/01/2005 1:42:22 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: LibWhacker

Uh ooh, I think we're stuck here for a while. Can't we all just get along?

The logistics of space travel, the distances, time, food, water, engergy are kind of a problem. That's why I don't believe the UFO nuts, earnest though they be.

Question: Since everything on Earth existed since the creation, though some things have changed form, have the space probes that have left Earth's orbit actually changed the planet or are they so infinitesimally small as to make no difference?


39 posted on 08/01/2005 1:43:19 PM PDT by garyhope (The Islamofascists want Western civilization dead. Simple as that.)
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To: colonialhk

Use gold and platinum. By the time they get it launched the original cost of the material wouldn't matter.


40 posted on 08/01/2005 1:44:09 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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