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The Battle to Rebuild A roundup of the past two weeks' good news from Iraq
Opinion Journal ^ | Monday, August 1, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT | BY ARTHUR CHRENKOFF

Posted on 08/01/2005 11:42:29 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

foreign reporter recently asked Monsignor Rabban al Qas, Chaldean bishop of Amadiyah and Arbil, whether there is any good news coming out of Iraq. "Twenty-three Iraqis are killed every day in Iraq," the interviewer observed. "Nearly two years after the fall of Saddam Hussein, there is no security as yet. Is there still hope in Iraq?" To which the monsignor replied:

What the media portray is true: explosions, killings, attacks. But if you see how much order, discipline, transport, displacements, and work have improved, there is a change for the better compared to one or two years ago. Now people understand there is a government, the structure of a new state. Thousands and thousands of allied and Iraqi soldiers are present. There is a constitution which is being drawn up, laws are being enacted. The presence of authority is recognised. This was not the case before. And Al-Qaeda integralists and terrorists coming from abroad seek to penetrate Iraq precisely to destroy the beginnings of this social organization.

A war for the future of Iraq is going on, but that war is being fought not only with guns and explosives. Terrorists and insurgents are killing soldiers and civilians and sabotaging infrastructure, and the Iraqi and coalition security forces in turn are hunting down the enemies of the new Iraq. But every step towards self-government, every new job created, every new school opened, is a small victory against those who would want to turn Iraq's clock back three--or 1,300--years. Below are some of these stories that often get lost in the fog and smoke of war.

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: goodnews; iraq; military; oif; progress; terrorism; war
More news from Iraq the Dinosaur Media doesn't want you to hear.
1 posted on 08/01/2005 11:42:33 AM PDT by MNJohnnie
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To: MNJohnnie

And here is a roundup of the past two weeks' good news from Iraq as reported by the Mainstream Media:

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2 posted on 08/01/2005 11:44:49 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Anybody have a statistical average of the # of births of Iraqi children each day???


3 posted on 08/01/2005 11:49:22 AM PDT by ExcursionGuy84 ("I will Declare the Beauty of The LORD.")
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To: MNJohnnie

This can't possibly be true. There has been no mention of this on the Commie News Network, PMSNBC, SeeBS, or especially that fountain of truth and righteousness, Err America.


4 posted on 08/01/2005 11:49:58 AM PDT by GunnyHartman (Allah is allah outta virgins.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Anybody have a statistical average of the # of births of Iraqi children each day???


5 posted on 08/01/2005 11:58:33 AM PDT by ExcursionGuy84 ("I will Declare the Beauty of The LORD.")
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To: ExcursionGuy84

Anybody have a statistical average of the # of births of Iraqi children each day???

http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MSNH&srch_type=0&q=Iraqi+Births

Then use this.

By using these statistics, it is reasonable to extapolate this out. But I am not a math guy so I am unsure how to do it. I come up with a number that seems absurdely high.

2,321 births a day.


6 posted on 08/01/2005 12:20:56 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
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To: MNJohnnie

I have a weird idea about the Iraq good news/bad news stuff. I'm almost glad some of the stuff Chenkoff lists isn't covered on the news because he lists all these $amounts for aid and building (US and foreign). Couple million here. Couple million there. Couple more millions over there. I think after a while some people would get angry about this. Not that they want to hear about bombings all the time. But money, money, money could drive them crazy. Weird, I know.


7 posted on 08/01/2005 12:21:52 PM PDT by mumps
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To: MNJohnnie

"Anybody have a statistical average of the # of births of Iraqi children each day???"

OOOPs, forgot one link in the 1st post.


http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MSNH&srch_type=0&q=Iraqi+Births

Then use this.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html

By using these statistics, it is reasonable to extapolate this out. But I am not a math guy so I am unsure how to do it. I come up with a number that seems absurdely high.

2,321 births a day.


8 posted on 08/01/2005 12:22:18 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
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To: mumps

But money, money, money could drive them crazy. Weird, I know


Funny how the nearly useless spending of tens of billions into domestic Homeland Security doesn't drive them nuts.


9 posted on 08/01/2005 12:25:10 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Yeah -- but homeland security money is please-please-please-save-my-ass money. It's the my ass versus their ass school of economics.


10 posted on 08/01/2005 12:30:44 PM PDT by mumps
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To: MNJohnnie

Hmmm. 26 million people so divide by 70 (avg life expectancy),
and each age cohort could be 350,000.
Divide by 365 and you get about 1,000 births a day.

This is surely a low-ball estimate as age cohorts gets smaller with age and it doesnt account for population growth.


11 posted on 08/01/2005 12:36:57 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberalism is wrong, it's just the Liberals don't know it yet.)
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To: mumps; MNJohnnie

I feel *alot* safer from knowing we are kicking butt in Iraq than the billions we spend on TSA employees wanding grandmas and making people take off shoes at the airport.


12 posted on 08/01/2005 12:38:29 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberalism is wrong, it's just the Liberals don't know it yet.)
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To: WOSG

This is surely a low-ball estimate as age cohorts gets smaller with age and it doesnt account for population growth

Thanks WOSG!


13 posted on 08/01/2005 12:40:04 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
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To: WOSG

spend on TSA employees wanding grandmas and making people take off shoes at the airport.



And don't forget feeling up every attractive female in sight.


14 posted on 08/01/2005 12:40:54 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Somebody needs to let this guy in on this news ...

The time has come to change course in Iraq
By TONY MAGLIANO

In his latest address the president rhetorically asked: “Is the sacrifice worth it? It is worth it, and is vital to the future security of our country.”

Well, what has been gained? One brutal dictator is in jail. Now, what have we lost?

We have lost more than 1,740 American troops, 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, the infrastructure of Iraq, more than $220 billion, numerous nonviolent possibilities to reduce terrorism and the respect of most of the world.

Furthermore, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has warned that this war may last 12 years!

What a mess. And most of it is the result of a manipulation of the facts.

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Click the link above for more.

15 posted on 08/01/2005 12:59:12 PM PDT by al_c
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To: al_c
Well to start with I would suggest your "Source"

"Tony Magliano is a columnist for Catholic News Service."

is not in the least bit qualified to render any serious judgment on Iraq since he has no professional qualifications or professional experience on which to base his judgments.

Further more, when he ends this article like this;

"As a sign of good faith to the world and to help ensure against future pre-emptive wars, the U.S. House of Representatives should fulfill its constitutional duty and formally investigate evidence presented in sources like the “Downing Street memo” to determine if sufficient grounds exist to impeach Bush."

Mr. Magliano demonstrates he is a complete ideological bigot with absolutely no intellectual rationality on this topic. The "Downing Street Memo" was proved 3 months ago to be a FOREGERY like the Dan Rather Bush National Guard papers. The British "Journalist" who "broke" the story typed the "Downing Street Memo" up himself!!!! Anyone who still spews this nonsense about the "Downing Street Memos" exposes himself as an ideological bigot simply unwilling to deal with objective reality.

"Furthermore, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has warned that this war may last 12 years!
What a mess. And most of it is the result of a manipulation of the facts"

My friend, the ONLY "manipulation of the facts" is that being done by you. The fact that you are willing to deliberately misquote what Rumsfield said indicates you are not in the least bit interested in being intellectually honest.

I will not waste my time trying to explain reality to a mind that is unwilling to be open. However, I will suggest that instead of blindly insisting that your own emotion based opinion is superior to OBJECTIVE REALITY that you at least try reading some OTHER points of view. This article above would be a good place to start. Here are some other links for your consideration

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1453651/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1452615/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1439221/posts
16 posted on 08/01/2005 1:24:47 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
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To: Old Sarge

Ping


17 posted on 08/01/2005 5:49:22 PM PDT by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Well to start with I would suggest your "Source"

"Tony Magliano is a columnist for Catholic News Service."

And that is my beef. Being from a "Catholic" organization (read:Christian) you'd think they'd at least try to be honest. Instead, he spews twisted information and half-truths to fit his rant against this "unjust" (in his eyes) war.

The facts are there for these liberal reporters (or columnists) to see but they ignore them.

At this time, I'm thinking about writing a letter to the publisher of the Texas Catholic but at the same time, he's so darn liberal and anti-Bush that he probably would never print it.

18 posted on 08/02/2005 6:06:15 AM PDT by al_c
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