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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

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To: Tribune7
I see you appreciate the writings of Mr. Collins. Did you read this?

"From my perspective as a scientist working on the genome, the evidence in favor of evolution is overwhelming."

"Professor Darrel Falk has recently pointed out that one should not take the view that young-earth creationism is simply tinkering around the edges of science. If the tenets of young earth creationism were true, basically all of the sciences of geology, cosmology, and biology would utterly collapse. It would be the same as saying 2 plus 2 is actually 5. The tragedy of young-earth creationism is that it takes a relatively recent and extreme view of Genesis, applies to it an unjustified scientific gloss, and then asks sincere and well-meaning seekers to swallow this whole, despite the massive discordance with decades of scientific evidence from multiple disciplines."

"Design proponents point to the complexity of multicomponent molecular machines as unlikely products of a random evolutionary process. The argument about irreducible complexity is an interesting one. And yet I must say, the more one looks at these supposedly complex and irreducibly complex structures (whether it is the flagella, the eye, or the clotting cascade), the more one begins to see some evidence of intermediate forms that could have had some selective advantage. While not offering strong evidence against Intelligent Design, the study of genomes offers absolutely no support either. In fact, I would say— and many others have said it better—a major problem with the Intelligent Design theory is its lack of a plan for experimental verification. I view Intelligent Design ideas as an intriguing set of proposals, but I certainly do not view them as the kind of threat to evolution that its most vocal proponents imply."

641 posted on 08/01/2005 8:56:10 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: furball4paws
"Every week I go to the store and use my Chopin Liszt.

Don't you just Haydn it when the Chopin cart Handel at the Mahler is Gummy? (Had to get the other stooge in there)

642 posted on 08/01/2005 8:57:31 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Dimensio

I'm not agreeing with him.

But the sun is as much the center of the universe as anyplace.

The sun is the center of the universe now...no, now...no now.


643 posted on 08/01/2005 8:59:09 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: ICE-FLYER

You obviously have a valid point. I noticed some replies that appear to suggest that theory equals fact. They seem incredulous that you don't buy into that interpretation. I don't know what these people have been told, but it looks like they were fed updated (false) definitions of the words "theory" and "fact." They have been so completely indoctrinated that they actually think anyone who doesn't accept these lies is a moron. It's sad really. I wonder if they were ever given a definition for "hypothesis." If so, I'd be curious to know what they were told about that. I'll bet you .50¢ they think that also means fact.


644 posted on 08/01/2005 8:59:39 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb

theories and facts are not mutually exclusive.


A hypothesis is a poorly tested explaination.

The theory is a well tested explaination. It can contain elements of fact. Fact being something with evidence beyond doubt.


645 posted on 08/01/2005 9:02:23 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: Matchett-PI
The same Francis S. Collins who supports evolutionary theory in this interview. Good to see you are quoting pro-evolutionary scientists.
646 posted on 08/01/2005 9:02:30 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: BykrBayb
I wonder if they were ever given a definition for "hypothesis." If so, I'd be curious to know what they were told about that. I'll bet you .50¢ they think that also means fact.

You lose. In all these threads I have seen only the creos screw those definitions up while the non-creos repeatedly try to inform them of the true meanings.

647 posted on 08/01/2005 9:03:01 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Ichneumon
Why do you always post replies that are 15 pages long ?

Its a waste of Jim's space.

Curious behavior.

648 posted on 08/01/2005 9:03:05 PM PDT by Selkie (If you can't annoy somebody, there's little point in writing. K. Amis)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

That's number 6, but at least you didn't post any of the good doctor's words ...


649 posted on 08/01/2005 9:04:00 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

Then inform me, oh wise one. Define those three terms.


650 posted on 08/01/2005 9:04:09 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Selkie
Why do you always post replies that are 15 pages long ?

Hyperbole city

651 posted on 08/01/2005 9:04:16 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: Selkie

The waste of space is all the ignorant creo posts. At least Ichy posts are informative and not bogus, ideological rantings.


652 posted on 08/01/2005 9:05:31 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: BykrBayb

see #645


653 posted on 08/01/2005 9:06:18 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: hocndoc
All too often I hear words from Christians that ought to only come from atheists:"if you believe evolution, you don't believe in God."

I have never heard an atheist say this, or anything similar for that matter. It does seem to be a Christian mantra though.

654 posted on 08/01/2005 9:06:25 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: BykrBayb
Then inform me, oh wise one. Define those three terms.

I have, repeatedly.

655 posted on 08/01/2005 9:06:59 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: bobdsmith
Go try printing it out.

LMAO

656 posted on 08/01/2005 9:08:24 PM PDT by Selkie (If you can't annoy somebody, there's little point in writing. K. Amis)
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To: WildTurkey

Bull! This is the first time I've asked you that question. You have never given me the answer to that question. Don't bother answering it now. I wouldn't trust anything you say after your first lie. Now that I think about it, I've read lies from you on other subjects. Oh well.


657 posted on 08/01/2005 9:09:09 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Selkie

good point


658 posted on 08/01/2005 9:09:28 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: BykrBayb

He said he had repeatedly defined those terms. Not that he had repeatedly defined them to you.


659 posted on 08/01/2005 9:10:28 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: Blzbba

Zing!


660 posted on 08/01/2005 9:11:17 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas
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