There are some very interesting and thought provoking comments on this thread by people who are experiencing this growth.
It's worth reading to see what has happened and is happening...and perhaps is going to be.
Posted on 08/01/2005 12:26:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Of course, you have places like South Florida where my parents now live where there is no native born working class. Back in the 1990s, the Haitians did all the schlepp work. Now its the Guatemalans. My dad doesn't seem to care as long as his grass gets mowed.
IN KS, I spoke with a Mexican co-worker, asking how difficult it was for her to come to the US. She said it wasn't a problem for her since she had relatives here. She said her grandfather had lived in TX but moved to Mexico during WWII because he didn't want his boys to be drafted... I thought "that's the difference. My dad serve in the US Air Corp in WWII, many of my Uncles were in the war, too. Younger Uncles were in Korea. My husband, brothers-in-law , and cousins were in the military. Mexicans who could have served, left for Mexico..."
There will always be those kind.
A lot of Americans have crossed over into Canada.
Heck, they do that here on much cheaper rents, of course cost of living/pay scales are lower here than NYC.
I know what you mean about Mexicans in NYC years ago.
When I lived in Manhattan (W 74th, 1970's) the hispanics were primarily Puerto Rican.
Not by much these days.
Not by much, but you have to know where to look. These apartments aren't on Craigslist or the NYT. It's an index card taped up at a laundry or the sister of the woman who does nails at a walk up salon. That kind of thing. Some of these apartments are also illegal -- much larger apts broken up into smaller ones or partitions put up in the basement of an apartment house or store.
It's NYC. Like all borderline behaviors and endeavors, people who need to know just know.
Have you been up to Morningside Heights lately? It is not like it use to be at all. It iss going through what the Upper West Side went through a decade or so ago.
I think that what you are describing is much more common now in the outer boroughs, particularly in Queens and the Bronx.
Manhattan rents have really taken on a surreal aspect. It is hard to get a tiny studio for that sort of money anywhere in Manhattan now.
>> established residency, then came down to NYC and brought his family from Lima
This is the problem with the current immigration policy. If one becomes a resident, it's much easier to legally get one's relatives over here.
Many of the Mexicans are actually here legally now because of this. Not all, but many... Don't assume every day laborer is illegal...
I was actually up near the Cloisters a couple of months ago. You're right, it's much more common in Queens, Bronx, and even Brooklyn. But there's still pockets up there and the lower east side, etc.
In regards to rents -- they'll come down eventually.
Personally, I think it will take that again. If rents do go down you will see a sever housing bubble pop in NYC, and I mean severe.
The economy in NYC seem to be in deep trouble to me. Ironically, I think that the immigrant influx is the only thing that keeps it going, that and servicing the rich.
If we are not careful, it will turn into a city like Rio or Mexico City.
I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop but it has not happened yet. There is a vast amount of foreign money coming into New York right now, and a great deal find its way into the real estate market.
I do not see any reasonable set of conditions where rents will come down in NYC. All of my friends in the Real Estate business are mystified by the whole thing.
I live in the Slope, BTW.
Rents dropped (along with prices)in the early 90s following the crash of 87. A lot of the money coming in now is from overseas, but also from the midwest and south.
This is a new phenom in terms of quantity for me -- but what I've been seeing over the last seven or eight years in a huge influx of young people from small town America coming into the city with lots of financial backing. It's not unusual to see a kid from Ohio or Iowa or Texas hit town and plunk down $1.5 million for a one bedroom while working his first job on Wall Street or in TV. Basically these are the richest kids of small towns who go away to college and never return. Dad may own a small chain of supermarkets or the local car dealership. As your friends in real estate how many of the mortgages are co-signed by parents, etc. and where those parents live. That should clear up the mystery.
I hope the N.E. gets all the ones from NC. Maybe Conneticut or NH could change their driver's license law to make it easier for illegals to obtain one. Anything to get them to leave here.
There are some very interesting and thought provoking comments on this thread by people who are experiencing this growth.
It's worth reading to see what has happened and is happening...and perhaps is going to be.
"writer seems more upset about the Dusenberg being destroyed, than the fact that 3 people are dead"
It becomes obvious why NY has always been known as a human sewer!
Well, I know a few in California who might have similarly skewed priorities...
But you're right, (MHO) that writer's priorities are just wrong.
Watch that crack about Cubans. The Mrs. is a naturalized Cubana, and her people are solid Republicans and ass-kicking Americans.
My Swedish forebears entered the U.S. through Canada, legally, and brought their money with them.
The bigotry on FR is growing by the day.
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