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Pro Choice Groups May Drop 'Choice' in Abortion Debate
NewsMax ^ | 7/31/05 | NewsMax

Posted on 07/31/2005 2:46:34 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: longtermmemmory

Deathocrats


21 posted on 07/31/2005 3:09:49 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: JennysCool
I don't think the government has any business in personal medical decisions, no matter what they may be -- unless the government is paying for them.

Interesting poll results on the abortion issue here. About 14% of FReepers agreed with you that killing babies is cool. But when you factor in all the DU lurkers who added their two cents to the poll, the numbers went up several percentage points. If we could get the Democrats to give us their pro-lifers, I would gladly part company with our libertine libertarians.

22 posted on 07/31/2005 3:09:52 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: printhead

A fat bloated ivory tower professor to go with the lies of a fat an bloated political party.

A liar's liar.


23 posted on 07/31/2005 3:10:54 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: wagglebee

"The Democratic think tank Third Way -- run by the same strategists who moved the party to the center on the gun issue..."

I missed this "shift". Is this just more media nonsense or did any such shift occur at all?


24 posted on 07/31/2005 3:10:58 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: madprof98
If we could get the Democrats to give us their pro-lifers, I would gladly part company with our libertine libertarians.

Amen to that!

25 posted on 07/31/2005 3:11:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: strategofr
I missed this "shift". Is this just more media nonsense or did any such shift occur at all?

I think they are referring to John sKerry's photo ops last summer and fall.

26 posted on 07/31/2005 3:12:36 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I don't believe that the Rats will be able to appear more centrist by dropping the prochoice lingo. It has been used too long to suddenly drop it as there trademark for abortion. There is such a thing as overthinking an issue.


27 posted on 07/31/2005 3:12:37 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 ( Heaven on Earth is where the nearest Starbucks is 60 miles away.)
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To: wagglebee

They will not succeed. They are pro-abortion, and they will not be allowed to get out from under this.


28 posted on 07/31/2005 3:15:09 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: strategofr

Reporters who use the "language" promoted by Lakoff are instantly identifiable as biased.

Thus anyone, MSM or otherwise, who go with the "winning with words" promoted by Lakoff are exposing their leftward bias.

With the new media we should hold the feet to the fire of any reporter or reporterette that DARES to use Lakoff's Goeble-esqe tactics.


29 posted on 07/31/2005 3:15:25 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: wagglebee
Third Way found that Democrats were losing among abortion grays



Didn't know this was a democrat constituent group. But hey since the dead and felons vote why not "the greys".
30 posted on 07/31/2005 3:16:37 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: wagglebee
Lakoff advised focusing on reducing unwanted pregnancies and suggested that the groups talk about "personal freedom,"

What about the personal freedom of the child being killed?

31 posted on 07/31/2005 3:16:42 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: crazyhorse691

don't count them out.

Liberals are now trying to hide by usurping the word "progressive".

Even O'Reily has been suckered hook line and sinker by that.


32 posted on 07/31/2005 3:17:04 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: wagglebee
I have always detested the selfish "choice" and "woman's right to choose" rhetoric. Translation: I love myself more than I love God.

But this intrusion into the language of freedom now gives me the willies. It's always creepier when they try to obfuscate by semi-pretending they are us, with the goal of winning over those on the medium-sized school bus.

33 posted on 07/31/2005 3:19:11 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
I have always detested the selfish "choice" and "woman's right to choose" rhetoric. Translation: I love myself more than I love God.

Further translation:
I'm so damn selfish, I would rather murder a child than take responsibility for my behavioral choices.

34 posted on 07/31/2005 3:21:44 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Republican Wildcat

ALL Lakoff's Goebles style wordplay requires assumptions.

His biggest and most erroneous assumption is that he is in the majority. Essentially that the majority of the USA belives communism is good.

In this case his assumption is based on a scientific conclusion that a fetus is not a living organism. (and not open to debate)


35 posted on 07/31/2005 3:21:57 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: wagglebee

As Planned Parenthood's take for killing babies continues to dwindle, I'm sure they'll be talking "from the heart" more and more often. The Left is taking Lakoff's advice and developing the new double-speak terms just in time for Hillery's run for office. George Orwell just missed the date by 21 years.


36 posted on 07/31/2005 3:22:27 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: longtermmemmory

I don't believe that O'Reilly has been "suckered" by anybody, I think he is a die-hard leftist who occasionally acts conservative to keep his ratings up.


37 posted on 07/31/2005 3:23:30 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: longtermmemmory
Liberals are now trying to hide by usurping the word "progressive".


Thats kinda where I was heading with the trademark thingee. Only the die hard moonbats seem to call themselves progressives now. And if you laugh at somebody who does use that term they don't say it to you again. Course I am speaking from my experience in Portland. None of the news media uses it here either.
38 posted on 07/31/2005 3:24:23 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 ( Heaven on Earth is where the nearest Starbucks is 60 miles away.)
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To: wagglebee
An odd notion of privacy, that. One would think that privacy has something to do with what individuals do, rather than what individuals do to others with the help of doctors with surgical instruments.

But let's not get in the way of the Left's attempt to "frame" the issue.

39 posted on 07/31/2005 3:25:14 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: kittymyrib

I think they are moving to "privacy" because it is seeming inevitable that Roe is going to be dropped and pushed back to the states.

Many states have passed constitutional privacy amendments with this in mind.

Thus (if we follow their prediction) when Roe is overturned, they will have their language in place for the 50 state battles.


40 posted on 07/31/2005 3:27:38 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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