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To: conservativecorner

The funny thing about medical research is, you don't really know whether it will work until you PERFORM THE RESEARCH.

Whatever. The FACT is that those of you worked up about the issue are in a small minority of Americans. Most Americans, including many opposed to abortion, think that even the POSSIBILITY of curing dread diseases far outweighs any alleged issues involving morality.

This isn't the abortion issue- it's not people having sex and then killing a fetus as an easy way out. It's using CELLS to try to CURE HORRIBLE DISEASES.

I'd personally be ashamed to argue against it, but that's just me. Seems some in this group are so fanatical they call out Frist for supporting what the vast majority of Americans support.


7 posted on 07/31/2005 7:52:10 AM PDT by Altair333 (Stop illegal immigration: George Allen in 2008)
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To: Altair333
I'd personally be ashamed to argue against it, but that's just me. Seems some in this group are so fanatical they call out Frist for supporting what the vast majority of Americans support.

And it seems that people like you never have the balls to come to my house demanding money at the point of a gun. You always send the government.

19 posted on 07/31/2005 8:37:18 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Altair333


I like your choice for President in 08, but you don't seem to have a clue about stem cell research. THERE HAVE BEEN 65-67 CURES from cord blood and adult stem cells; NONE from embroynic SCR. Why devote money to ESCR -- especially my taxpayers and do research that would make the Nazis proud?


24 posted on 07/31/2005 8:47:59 AM PDT by sruleoflaw
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To: Altair333

Summary of Registered Abortions Worldwide, through 2004

compiled by Wm. Robert Johnston
last updated 23 March 2004
country year range of reported data total reported abortions estimated total for underreporting, illegal, and abroad estimated additional abortions to end of 2003 most recent annual abortion figure estimated total abortions through February 2004
Albania 1975-1999 480,000 55,000 80,000 20,000 618,000
Armenia 1992-2001 228,000 20,000 10,000 250,000
Australia 1970-2003 1,407,000 346,000 0 73,000 1,765,000
Austria 1960-2000 592,000 7,100 2,400 599,000
Azerbaijan 1992-2001 263,000 37,000 18,000 303,000
Belarus 1992-2001 1,695,000 203,000 101,000 1,915,000
Belgium 1992-2001 147,000 30,000 15,000 179,000
Belize 1985-1996 8,600 7,200 18,000 2,600 35,000
Bermuda 1983-1984 180 1,700 92 1,900
Botswana 1980-1984 66 19 320 17 410
Bulgaria 1953-2001 5,369,000 102,000 51,000 5,480,000
Canada 1969-2000 2,315,000 317,000 106,000 2,649,000
Channel Islands 1987-2002 4,600 320 42 42 4,900
Chile 1986-1991 280 800 67 1,100
ROC Taiwan 1996-1999 422,000 61,000 169,000 42,000 660,000
PR China 1971-2001 266,772,000 8,170,000 12,680,000 6,340,000 288,679,000
Cocos Islands 1978 2 50 2 52
Croatia 1992-2000 141,000 23,000 7,500 165,000
Cuba 1968-1998 3,285,000 2,617,000 376,000 75,000 6,291,000
Czech Republic 1993-2001 418,000 65,000 33,000 488,000
Czechoslovakia 1953-1992 3,645,000 286,000 0 0 3,931,000
Denmark 1939-2000 724,000 47,000 16,000 774,000
Dominican Republic 1995-1998 93,000 155,000 31,000 254,000
East Germany 1948-1989 1,728,000 514,000 0 0 2,242,000
Estonia 1992-2001 185,000 23,000 12,000 210,000
Faeroe Islands 1966-1975 260 730 26 990
Finland 1951-2001 556,000 21,000 11,000 579,000
France 1970-1998 4,440,000 256,000 900,000 180,000 5,626,000
French Guiana 1984 390 7,400 390 7,800
Georgia 1992-2000 289,000 24,000 8,000 315,000
FR Germany 1950-2002 2,686,000 184,000 130,000 130,000 3,023,000
Greece 1971-1996 85,000 13,000 88,000 13,000 187,000
Greenland 1967-2000 20,000 200 2,800 940 23,000
Guadeloupe 1977-1998 9,900 37,000 24,000 4,800 72,000
Hong Kong 1973-1997 179,000 179,000 144,000 24,000 505,000
Hungary 1949-2001 5,379,000 489,000 113,000 56,000 5,990,000
Iceland 1960-2000 19,000 2,800 950 22,000
India 1972-2001 14,076,000 1,446,000 723,000 15,643,000
Ireland 1968-2002 0 121,000 6,500 6,500 129,000
Isle of Man 1991-2002 1,900 170 170 2,100
Israel 1979-2001 394,000 31,000 41,000 20,000 470,000
Italy 1978-2001 4,111,000 261,000 131,000 4,393,000
Japan 1949-2000 35,222,000 39,766,000 1,023,000 341,000 76,067,000
Kazakhstan 1992-1999 1,756,000 551,000 138,000 2,330,000
South Korea 1961-1996 4,391,000 9,631,000 1,610,000 230,000 15,670,000
Kyrgyzstan 1992-1998 273,000 140,000 28,000 418,000
Latvia 1992-2001 241,000 31,000 16,000 275,000
Lithuania 1992-2001 272,000 27,000 14,000 302,000
Macedonia 1992-2000 129,000 34,000 11,000 165,000
Martinique 1981-1999 15,000 25,000 12,000 2,900 52,000
Mexico 1994-1999 41,000 16,000 14,000 3,500 71,000
Moldova 1992-2001 438,000 32,000 16,000 473,000
Mongolia 1984-1997 244,000 77,000 13,000 324,000
Netherlands 1970-2002 660,000 29,000 29,000 694,000
New Zealand 1965-2002 280,000 12,000 17,000 17,000 312,000
Norway 1954-2001 485,000 26,000 28,000 14,000 542,000
Panama 1972-1982 150 23 250 12 420
Panama Canal Zone 1970-1978 400 1 0 0 400
Poland 1955-2002 4,622,000 140 140 140 4,622,000
Portugal 1984-2001 3,200 2,900 1,100 570 7,400
Puerto Rico 1992 19,000 211,000 19,000 234,000
Reunion 1979-1988 37,000 4,300 65,000 4,300 107,000
Romania 1958-2001 19,254,000 1,432,000 396,000 198,000 21,115,000
Russia 1992-2002 28,823,000 1,945,000 1,945,000 31,092,000
Saint Helena 1985-1990 61 65 5 130
Seychelles 1986-1990 160 230 1,900 150 2,300
Singapore 1970-2000 475,000 41,000 14,000 518,000
Slovakia 1993-2001 236,000 38,000 19,000 277,000
Slovenia 1992-2001 102,000 16,000 7,800 118,000
South Africa 1997-2003 344,000 0 70,000 355,000
Spain 1941-2000 693,000 787,000 191,000 64,000 1,682,000
Sweden 1939-2002 1,175,000 33,000 33,000 1,214,000
Switzerland 1966-2002 195,000 40,000 12,000 12,000 248,000
Tajikistan 1992-1997 194,000 36,000 180,000 30,000 414,000
Tunisia 1966-1996 347,000 148,000 133,000 19,000 631,000
Turkey 1993 351,000 3,513,000 351,000 3,923,000
Turkmenistan 1995-1997 63,000 32,000 192,000 32,000 292,000
U.S.S.R. 1957-1991 244,417,000 66,281,000 0 0 310,698,000
Ukraine 1992-2000 6,071,000 1,303,000 434,000 7,446,000
United Kingdom 1961-2002 5,571,000 197,000 197,000 5,800,000
United States 1943-2000 40,780,000 2,100 3,939,000 1,313,000 44,940,000
Uzbekistan 1994-1997 414,000 510,000 85,000 939,000
Venezuela 1968 3,100 108,000 3,100 112,000
Vietnam 1976-2002 17,720,000 4,694,000 1,000,000 1,000,000 23,581,000
Yugoslavia 1959-1998 5,486,000 3,832,000 294,000 59,000 9,622,000
Zambia 1976-1983 1,400 4,100 24,000 1,200 30,000
subtotals 744,015,000 140,139,000 35,538,000 15,051,000 922,200,000
* indicates abortions abroad only Note: estimated underreporting includes estimates for missing years in reported year range, abortions abroad, and registered illegal abortions. Totals may not add due to rounding. TOTAL, 1920 - 2004: 744,000,000 to 922,000,000 abortions Estimated current global monthly average: 1,254,000 abortions.

27 posted on 07/31/2005 9:06:49 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Altair333
...you don't really know whether it will work until you PERFORM THE RESEARCH.

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The Germans didn't know that the Jews skin would make such "beautiful" and "collectible" lamp shades until the killed a few of them and made the lamps. Don't try to tell me it's not the same thing...IT IS!!! The taking of a life is the taking of a life whether it's just conceived in the mothers womb or it's 110 years old.

Don't try to tell me they are cell which are going to be discarded. Sure, these are, but the research will be falsified, mark my words, as so many other experiments have been, to show that there is hope to cure some disease. The next thing you know there will be cries using the same arguments you are using to get more fresh "blobs" to experiment on. Your same arguments will apply. This is the proverbial camel's nose under the tent. The goal is to get his butt in, but you gotta get his nose in first.
28 posted on 07/31/2005 9:09:13 AM PDT by gooleyman ( What about the baby's "RIGHT TO CHOOSE"?????? I bet the baby would chose LIFE.)
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To: Altair333
the vast majority of Americans support.

What is your source for your assertion that the vast majority of Americans want the Fed. Govt to fund killing embryos? I'd love to read it.

41 posted on 07/31/2005 9:46:08 AM PDT by syriacus (Muslims who really want peace should unite behind a non-violent leader like Gandhi, King, or Walesa.)
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To: Altair333

I do not support Frist. If he ever runs for President, he will never get my vote.


45 posted on 07/31/2005 9:53:28 AM PDT by MamaB (mom to an angel)
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To: Altair333
The funny thing about medical research is, you don't really know whether it will work until you PERFORM THE RESEARCH.

Fine perform the research then. Using private funds. However, don't confuse me with those that believe the federal government should have say on this based on a moral issue. Frankly, I can see the benefit of using stem cells that are going to be thrown out. However, I don't support federal government funding for this or any medical research. It's a matter of Constitutional powers and what is specifically outlined in Article I, Section 8. The federal government should get out of the medical business altogether

73 posted on 07/31/2005 11:42:09 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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