Posted on 07/30/2005 6:49:32 PM PDT by RWR8189
Crosby, Secretary of Administration and Finance of Massachusetts, et al. v. National Foreign Trade Council: Held: The state Act is preempted, and its application unconstitutional, under the Supremacy Clause.
Ouch. That's gotta' sting, hedge.
I am not going to redebate this with you or any other globalist again, but I must say that idiotic statements such as
" The number of U.S. jobs created since 1994, when NAFTA began, has been around 15 million."
are not in the least impressive. Losing 100 full time high skilled jobs where the workers made $25 an hour plus full benefits and replacing them with 400 part time, low skilled $10 jobs with no benefits is not a step forward in any accountants view.
Now it is in the mind of a politician who thinks that hiring non english speaking immigrants is a good move, but not mine because I realize that socialistic programs are needed to fulfill the missing needs in these people lives.
Enjoy your management position at Motorola, a fine global corporation.
Good night
More protectionist hysteria.
"More protectionist hysteria."
Clark County Nevada
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New schools opening in August
A dozen new schools will open in the 2005-06 school year, 11 in August 2005 and one in January 2006. This includes seven elementary schools (Hickey, Jeffers, Goynes, Tartan, Ries, Thiriot and Batterman); three middle schools (Webb, Mack and Bailey); and one high school (Arbor View). Miley Achievement Center, a special school, will open in January 2006.
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In its continuing effort to recruit faculty for the next school year, CCSD has hired 51 new teachers from the Philippines. At least 30 of them will arrive in Las Vegas Sunday evening, July 31.
Looks like there are opportunities for teachers in Clark County, Nevada.
The Tories tried to tell the Patriots that in 1772!
Maybe the free traders didn't think Bush would bring in millions of illegals, I'll give you that. But it has happened, hasn't it? We've lost our country, haven't we? You people don't care, as long as your pockets are full from the slave laborers you employ.
I say: "United States - U.S. merchandise exports to NAFTA partners nearly doubled between 1993 and 2001, from US$142 billion to US$265 billion. This was significantly higher than the 44 percent growth in exports to the rest of the world."
You say: "Command economy, WOSG, thats all you're pushing."
Low tariffs = 'command economy'?
The mind boggles. Your world is upside down.
The proponents of socialism and command economics oppose CAFTA and NAFTA,
the supporters of global capitalism support CAFTA and NAFTA.
You're cheerleading for the opposite of what you claim to want. got it?
Instead of ad hominime, tell me .... do you agree or disagree with these statements? Are they TRUE to you?
"Instead of fair competition, there are subsidies by rich countries that tilt the playing field against the poor"
"Those who press poor countries to open their markets may indeed have those countries’ best interests at heart. But can we be surprised that poor countries are reluctant to take them seriously, when they find the markets of rich countries still closed to their products, and when they have to compete at home, and in the world market, against subsidized products from those same rich countries? "
Is this in fact going on today?
If it is, would it be good or bad to change it?
There you go again. A few days ago, I pointed out to you that Chavez of Venezuela thought CAFTA was "perverse." Castro of Cuba chimed-in a short while later. Naturally, you claimed that you "hadn't seen it." Now, I suppose you'll have to claim that "you forgot."
Yes, and its been constantly pointed out to you that Karl Marx loved "free trade". Now I suppose you'll claim that you forgot.
Don't forget that its been constantly pointed out that many many people opposed CAFTA because of loss of soveriegnty and individual rights. You are like a broken record always trying to smear anyone with an opposing view, calling them communists or associating with communists. That is a cowardly argument against those who oppose you. It is also the same technique that the communist secret police used to discredit people in they wanted to bring down. So by your actions and what you write, you ally yourself with the communists more than anyone you try to smear.
Again, you have a weak grasp of the actual economic statistics. Wage growth was quite strong in the late 1990s and, after the dip from recent 2001 recession, has resumed strongly. Standard of living has been rising. This claim of replacing high-wage with low-wage jobs is the opposite of what is going on. Also, you may not be aware of this fact from 2nd quarter GNP numbers:" The most striking change in this BEA report is the addition to GDP due to net exports. A shrinking trade deficit actually added 1.57% to GDP this quarter. This is the first positive contribution trade flows have made to GDP since the third quarter of 2003, and the largest positive contribution since 1996. Exports grew at a 12.6% annual rate while imports shrank at a rate of 2.0%. See: http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_econindicators_gdppict_20050729
"neo-liberalism has been imposed "
"neo-liberalism", this is a term leftists use and I've never heard it used disrespectfully on FR before.
CAFTA is mainly about lowering tariffs to U.S. goods in other countries and protecting our intellectual property by getting other countries to sign up to our protections of patents etc. ...
neo-liberalism = being for lower tariffs = pro-free-market and pro-capitalism" ... is that what you mean?
CAFTA has nothing to do with IMF and World Bank and to tie it all in one bundles shows that you swallowing the swill of the anti-global-capitalism left.
"The idea that everyone should be an entrepreneur is distinctly neoliberal."
I've never heard anyone, even libertarians, claim that everyone 'should' be an entrepreneur. That's a nutty strawman.
"For neoliberals it is not sufficient that there is a market: there must be nothing which is not market.
Does this sound like you?"
Nope. Not at all. I just came back from church this Sunday, not a market. It sounds like a big phony strawman based on a cascade of misunderstanding on your part.
You felt the need to lecture me on USSR economics, something I've read dozens of books on over the year, yet it seems you have not the foggiest notion of what free market economics really is about. You keep claiming that free trade agreements are the opposite of what they really are.
I can only suggest 2 things - (1) Just because some pin-head is making allegations about what's in these trade agreements, or what nefarious motive or conspiracy is behind it, doesn't make it so;
(2) If you really want to know how economics works in the world, READ THIS BOOK - "Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest and Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics (Paperback)" by Henry Hazlitt
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0517548232/002-6093761-5917630?v=glance
Amazon: "Henry Hazlitt, one of America's greatest economists, presents the best refutation of socialist and Keynesian beliefs. It is a tremendous pity that such a brilliant thinker is rarely considered among the greatest economists. He certainly is more rational, realistic, and correct than Marx or Keynes, and I would even go as far as to say he provides a better constructed argument for free market capitalism than either of the celebrated neo-classical economists, F.A. Hayek or Milton Friedman. Both men are brilliant thinkers and economists as well, but they have never been able to convey their ideas in such an concise manner. Hazlitt's "brick through the window" analogy is the best economic illustration since Adam Smith's pin machine. It displays the fundamental fallacies of controlled economics, which always misses the secondary and future consequences for the short term gain that may be incurred. For anyone interested in why minimum wage laws, price controls, tarriffs, taxes, and inflationary policies have failed to provide the social justice and economic progress promised by radicals and leftists and has instead caused economic decline and stagnation, this book is a must read. It has stood the test of time and deserves to be regarded as the finest inquiry into the nature of economics since Adam's Smith "The Wealth of Nations"."
I will not try to convince you of anything that hasn't already been proven right by experience of history or smarter men than I, like Hazlitt. If what you call "neo-liberalism" is just those who support free market economics, then call it what it really is - pro-free-market.
I have to simply ask: What is wrong with free market economics?
"neo-liberalism has been imposed" implies we don't have votes on such things, when in fact we did.
We had a vote on CAFTA. It was close. You had the fearmongerers versus those who looked at whether we are better off with getting central American countries to lower tariffs on our goods, while increasing our common prosperity through greater trade. This is known as "win/win" thinking. Maybe racists and xenophobes would rather America stay poorer just so that other countries be even poorer than us, but most Americans would be happy if we gave the rest of the world had a chance to do better, in ways that helps us at the same time. Specifically, the MAIN EFFECT OF CAFTA IS TO LOWER TARIFFS IN CENTRAL AMERICAN COUNTRIES TO US GOODS.
That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Is that so bad?
http://www.ita.doc.gov/cafta/key_benefits/overview.asp
Eighty percent of U.S. imports from Central America and the Dominican Republic now enter the United States duty-free, while U.S. exporters to Central America and the Dominican Republic currently face significant tariffs.
Average Tariffs on CA/DR imports from the United States
Motor Vehicles/Parts..............................11%
Wood Products.........................................10%
Textile/Apparel/Leather Products.......10%
Chemicals/Petroleum/Coal/Rubber........5%
Ferrous Metals..............................................6.3%
Other Metals/Metal Products..................3.5%
Transport Equipment.................................3.5%
Electronic Equipment...............................1.4%
Other Machinery/Equipment.....................4%
Other Manufactures....................................7.1%
CAFTA-DR Eliminates Tariff Spikes, including
* El Salvador's 30% autos tariff.
* Guatemala's 23% tariff on certain footwear.
* Plastics and cosmetics tariffs up to 15 %.
* Air conditioning and refrigeration equipment facing tariffs up to 15%.
* 15% percent tariffs on some building products such as valves and home construction accessories including fixtures, sinks and doors.
Great, schools are opening up in Nevada ... they are a low-tax state and just happen to be a high-growth state. usually that is related - lower taxes leads to higher economic growth.
How does this school opening up disprove the fact that the economy grew robustly, incomes rose, standard of living got better, and jobs increased in the USA since 1994 when NAFTA was signed?
How does this in any way support your phony claim of lost jobs in the US and factories closing?
BTW, you are allowed to be for greater prosperity through free-trade agreements *and* against excessive immigration and bilingual education. I am. The two issues are not related.
"That is distorted, baseless, hysterical, fearmongering."
"The Tories tried to tell the Patriots that in 1772!"
And the Brits tried to tell the IRA that,
And the Israelis tried to tell the PLO that, and so on.
And when Hitler in the 1930s claimed the German nation was being overrun by enemies on all sides and they needed national socialism to build the german nation, some called it 'distorted, baseless, hysterical, fearmongering'. And when
Liberals in 1996 said old people would die from welfare reform, we called it 'distorted, baseless, hysterical, fearmongering' ... and when Perot said that NAFTA would cause a giant sucking sound of jobs due to NAFTA, some of
us said it was 'distorted, baseless, hysterical, fearmongering' ... And we were right, Perot was wrong.
I'd say overall, 'distorted, baseless, hysterical, fearmongering' as exhibited by free-trade opponents has a pretty poor track record of being right.
"Maybe the free traders didn't think Bush would bring in millions of illegals, I'll give you that. "
Oh Puhleeze ... immigration laws have been unenforced for decades now, it is a bipartisan problem, indeed it was the Clinton admin that had the worst record on it.
Now I'm not in favor of Bush's guest worker program,
I'm more inclined to go the Cornyn/Kyl route that conservatives would support than the Kennedy/McCain amnesty and open borders route that liberals advocate ... but merely tying these two distinct issues together tells me you are a tad ... confused.
"But it has happened, hasn't it? We've lost our country, haven't we?"
290 million people, the most powerful nation on earth with the largest and most productive economy, and ... We 'lost' it? LOL, look in the sock drawer, and while you're at it, go back and re-read the part about 'distorted, baseless, hysterical, fearmongering'!
"You people don't care, as long as your pockets are full from the slave laborers you employ."
Spoken like a true capitalist-hating Commie!!
"The proponents of socialism and command economics oppose CAFTA and NAFTA"
"No they don't because they are all members of the WTO."
Ralph Nader's PIRG, The US Communist Party and the International Socialist Organization, Progressive Socialists, A.N.S.W.E.R., and Fidel Castro are WTO members?
Please show me the link. Amazing.
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