By all means, join me on my Looney Tour 2005. This electric wheelchair has enough room for all of us.
All aboard!
Posted on 07/30/2005 6:49:32 PM PDT by RWR8189
We have someone using a Marx quote, incorrectly interpreting that Marx quote in order to accuse others of being Marxists, all the while agreeing with the Marxist dogma expressed in that quote. It's like the perfect storm.
Incidentally, Rep. Tancredo (remember him? He's the guy who you cited in your reply #133) has the length of the CAFTA-DR Agreement at "nearly 1,000 pages" here (as of June 29, 2005).
By all means, join me on my Looney Tour 2005. This electric wheelchair has enough room for all of us.
All aboard!
"We can't keep them on farms, but we could use the govt to cushion the blow to workers by slowly reducing tariffs and barriers. The problem has seldom been our country having barriers, but others."
Right, so why the complaints about CAFTA, when we *already* have most of those countries on a 'tariff-free' policy for most goods? (one exception: sugar)
This is no-lose for USA (unless you are a labor union Socialist or Govt-tariff-dependent sugar farmer).
stop with this labor union nonsense. the entire US tech industry, white collar non-union workers, are systematically being offshored to India and China by Fortune 100 technology companies like IBM, HP, Oracle, etc.
yes, I know that and I am all for it.
what I am saying is, that this part of the program is no longer politically achievable it seems - do we have the votes in congress for private SS accounts? you tell me.
what I am saying is, what other ideas are left for passage of a SS "reform" bill, that excludes private accounts? not much except the same old ideas about income caps and retirement age. better for Bush to do nothing then sign onto that.
no, the buggy ship makers walked a cross the street to the auto plants that were opening up - in the US.
what street am I supposed to walk across to hold onto my job, the Pacific ocean?
import quotas for autos ended in 1994, and light truck tariffs remain. those two policies are responsible for almost all of the foreign transplants manufacturing autos for the US market, in the US.
you obviously don't know too many workers in the tech industry. many have left the field entirely, just walked away to become math teachers, government employees, or work selling real estate and other services. I know one guy who does roofing now.
go pitch your ideas to the furniture manufacturing workers in north carolina. you can probably find alot of them working at Lowes, Home Depot, and Walmart now.
I'll be moving from the private sector to government employment as soon as the buzzsaw gets to me. you and the other free traders will be paying my salary - and I plan on being very lazy in my new position, so plan on paying higher taxes.
The competition is fierce for those sinecures, particularly if you are a white male. Pity that when Torie assumes power, your public employee pension will hit the dumpster. Good luck - you might need it.
matriculation into US EE and CS programs is dropping sharply over the past few years - what do these young people know about what is going on, that you do not?
Some sectors gain jobs, others lose them. Such is life. My brother who is in tech (a project manager) in the Bay area of California, tells me that the tech labor market has firmed up there considerably in the past year or so. He felt so confident, that he quit a job he didn't like with a long commute, and secured one with which he is very satisfied, within a few weeks. Not bad for an old man of 58. Granted, he is literate. It helps to be literate, and a good writer, along with being facile with tech.
Ummmm....how 'bout becoming the best you can be at whatever skills the current market demands then go out an GET A NEW JOB if that's what's required!
Damn...some of you folks really need to wake up...or does the concept of "self-sufficiency" only work when you toss it at a welfare recipient or the dead-beat holdin the sign on a freeway overpass or when you write your congress-critter complainin about that single mom suckin up food stamps?
Look dude, you seem to want sympathy or just vent rather than learning to adapt to the realities in front of you. You will die a bitter human long before you will ever be able to force reality to conform to your concept of "fairness". Life isn't fair...tough. Deal with it or don't. There's plenty in line in back of you who are more than willing.
what we have now is something wholly different then losing mop and broom manufacturing, or xmas tree lights. we aren't losing just the buggywhip industries anymore - we are losing top tier jobs, the kinds of jobs and industries that would generate the next technological waves, innovations, future industries. free trade has made engineering a 30K per year job - so by default, it won't exist in the US. in the meantime, a manager at a Chili's restaurant makes $80K a year (the son of a co-worker of mine, we laugh about it when we talk about why we still work at our jobs).
and you see it manifesting in other places now - who needs college anymore? enrollment in vocational schools are way up, young people see that its better to spend your 18-22 years of age time frame working hard in some service job and earning some money with the hopes of moving up the ladder, rather then going to college and taking on $60K in debt to get a job competing with the Indians and Chinese.
this phenomena is just getting started - trust me, 20 years from now, you won't like the results.
And all those talented Chinese and Indians are just a click with an attachment away. No government can stop it.
"you obviously don't know too many workers in the tech industry. "
LOL ... I *am* a worker in the tech industry, semiconductros/EDA, and doing quite well.
"many have left the field entirely, just walked away to become math teachers, government employees, or work selling real estate and other services. I know one guy who does roofing now."
Well, I know the tech workers who are still in the tech field. I also know that everybody everywhere is hiring 'selectively'. There are needs and opportunities, and engineering employment is higher than ever, and unemployment is down at the under 4% mark, ie, full employment.
If someone thinks roofing is better for them, fine.
But to insist you cant find a job in technology or engineering is to preach nonsense.
to argue that companies in thie field aren't offshoring like mad, is sheer lunacy. you say you work in semis, they are sending plants to china as fast as they can. HP, IBM, Oracle - pushing 10s of thousands to India.
"I'll be moving from the private sector to government employment as soon as the buzzsaw gets to me. you and the other free traders will be paying my salary - and I plan on being very lazy in my new position, so plan on paying higher taxes."
Dang, next thing you'll be saying is you're voting Democrat!
Why not play the part to the hilt!
Here's another plan: Let's offshore Govt. services,
so you can't even get those jobs.
Techers will be piped in from Bangalore via the internet.
Medicaid processing done by Mexicans ... in Mexico.
And we will have our own foreign legion ...
...oh wait, it is already happening:
http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/
and for those who do continue to work in the US, here is a good example of how they are being burned out:
http://www.chiefengineer.org/content/content_display.cfm/seqnumber_content/2085.htm
that's exactly the point my my sarcastic comment - my former colleagues who are now math teachers in the public schools, vote Dem now. is this what we want to encourage?
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