Posted on 07/30/2005 8:15:50 AM PDT by Asphalt
FORT COLLINS, Colo. — Never mind officials voiding a $50 ticket for indecent exposure, or an explanation from county officials that a ranger who issued the citation to the breast-feeding mother was inexperienced.
Dorian Ryan said she wants an apology for what she called a "humiliating and degrading" experience.
"This isn't right. Women shouldn't be harassed for breast-feeding their children," Dorian Ryan said.
Colorado lawmakers agree. A law passed last year gives women the right to breast feed anywhere she's allowed to be in public.
Ryan, 43, was ticketed for indecent exposure July 14 when she breast fed her son at the Carter Lake swim beach in Larimer County. She was shielded from view by two umbrellas and a towel.
An inexperienced park ranger mistakenly issued the ticket, said Dan Rieves, manager of the Blue Mountain District, which oversees the beach. Park officials have voided the ticket.
Rieves, who has been in contact with Ryan, said a written apology would be sent Friday.
I'm a victim of bonding!
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Fortunately I don't see it very often, because most women have a sense of modesty and aren't exibitionists. As for 'harassing' them, I have spoken to them in the past, (before it became legal in my state), as crudely as they themselves were behaving. I said that what they were doing was very undignified and offensive to people. I don't consider that to be 'harrassment' though, just the rational comments of a man with a sliver of modesty.
As for what the results were, they just look at you and sneer. One woman told me if I don't like it then don't look. Even though the whole purpose of it is to make people look at them.
Well if they were having trouble breastfeeding what could you expect to see?
"Look away."
Yeah I know the attitude, ignore the problem and it goes away. The thing about these exibitionists is they know there's a certain impact on people who suddenly, unexpectedly see this event in a public place; they will not usually look away for a few seconds.... Just as people do not look away from an accident on the highway, or anything else that startles the sensibilities or creates a curiosity factor. But I've learned my lesson, if a woman want to throw her dignity away, there's no stopping her.
Yeah, this reply makes a lot of sense, to the angry exibitionist woman crowd.
The move to bottle feeding was in the VICTORIAN ERA. That's about six generations ago.
You're absolutely right about that honey, but women who breastfeed in public should be harrassed, because they use this as an excuse to bear their breasts in public.
The "honey" you were addressing was being modest and obeying the law. Do you have a problem with public breast feeding, if done modestly?
""Do you cover your face and head when your eating? If not, why don't you just order your food and set in your SUV and eat?"
Yeah, this reply makes a lot of sense, to the angry exibitionist woman crowd."
You didn't answer the question. Appears you have some deep seeded issues you need to address.
You are exactly right. My husband is a doctor. He learned almost nothing about breastfeeding during his medical school training. They told him it was better, but he learned nothing about technique or how to help women do it sucessfully. He learned far more from me and our four children.
I have done some breastfeeding counseling. I am appalled at what some mothers are told by doctors and nurses. I suspect that in most cases of "unsucessfull breastfeeding" there is nothing wrong except poor advice.
One of the names for God in the Bible is El Shaddai, which means 'the many breasted one' and describes God as a nurturer. There are many posting on this thread who would make that whole concept of nurturing some kind of sin. Perhaps the sin is in the eye of the beholder. If a breast is being used for what God intended how can there be any sin there? Only the perverted concept of sex that comes from the twisted teachings of fundamentalist preachers can we make something God ordained sinful.
My understanding is that the purpose of the breast pump is so that the mother's milk could be available for the child being nursed during times that the mother and the infant might be separated. Is that not the general idea?
I found a feeder from ~450BC that was used to to feed baby wine and honey. Nevertheless, bottle feeding never amounted to much until Playtex's invention in the '50s. Sales before that were on the order of thousands of units/year in the late '20s. The earlier Victorian era inventions were used for preemies and other difficult feeding cases. Most docs never recommended them, even in the early 1/3 of the 20th century for general use, because they were extremely unsanitary.
And as bottle feeding grew in popularity, which it did, there were many who bottle feed their babies in the first part of the 20th century!
Women used GLASS bottles to feed babies in the '40s and '50s. Plastic bottles and bottles with plastic liners did NOT make an appearance until much later!
I don't know where you're getting your info from, but it is dead wrong.
" Women used GLASS bottles to feed babies in the '40s and '50s."
Playtex. They're glass.
baby bottle museumNote the Victorian murder bottles. Poor kids!
The middle classes were also using baby bottle to feed their babies, in America, by the 1920s.
And before the baby bottle came into being, those that could afford it, gave their babies over to wet nurses.
CORNING and other big glass manufacturers made baby bottles.
The Playtex bottles with that silly plastic liner thingy, weren't out until the late 1960s.
Victorian nannies and those who ran baby farms and sometimes very stupid mothers, used to give babies laudanum, to quite fussy babies and toddlers...now THAT really was MURDER; since the poor babies were often quieted to the point of death.
I asked you why you were ad homineming posters; and you've turned it around to "my feelings being hurt"? What are you hiding?
Let me try this another way: I come from a part of the US where breastfeeding is the NORM; not the exception. Ergo, I have difficulties comprehending some of the vitriol from pro-breastfeeding posters. I dislike exhibitionist pub-breastfeeding behavior. Pure and simple. Discrete breastfeeders? That's the ticket. These "breastfeeding" debates always go into a "brawl" and because NO ONE GETS VERY SPECIFIC. The argument stays on a very mundane level: To breastfeed or NOT to breastfeed. So, one side says they dislike public breastfeeding; the other side argues that it's a right to do so. The devil is in the details, no?
You've been making sense, too :-).
Someone had to break it to you.
Dan
PS -- love your tagline
PPS -- And your profile page
Yes, evidently you are.
Just think, if you'd read my entire post before blurting. < Sigh > Guess it just wasn't meant to be....
Dan
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