Got the Bastards! (Caught Like Rats in a Trap)

SECURITY chiefs were jubilant last night after police and SAS troops combined brilliantly to corner 21/7 bombing suspects like rats in a trap.

A day of drama ended with ALL five men wanted over last week’s botched London suicide attacks in custody.

Muktar Mohammed-Said, 27, thought to have attempted to blow himself up on a No26 bus, was arrested after a siege at a West London flat.

A man wanted over the Oval Tube attack, named last night as Ramzi Mohammed, was held at the same address.

In another raid less than a mile away, a suspected terrorist said to have dumped a rucksack bomb after 21/7 was nicked.

And in Rome, police arrested Hussain Osman, 27 — alleged to have been the Shepherd’s Bush bomber.

The other alleged gang member, Yassin Hassan Omar, 24, was seized in Birmingham on Wednesday over the Warren Street Tube attack.

Sources said both Ramzi and Osman were Somalis who came to the UK with their families and later claimed British citizenship.

Said and the Oval suspect gave themselves up after a tense stand-off at Dalgarno Gardens on the Peabody Estate in Notting Hill, West London.

SAS troops blew the front door off its hinges with a small specially-designed explosive charge.

Islam is the enemy- and anyone who willingly IDENTIFIES themselves as believing in 'the problem' IS the enemy!

Your ignorance of the situation is profound. Right now we work closely with several Middle Eastern countries who are as worried about radical Islam as we are. Jordan is a good case in point. The Jordanians have a death warrant out on Zarqawi and have helped us immeasurably on our war on terrorism. The King of Jordan was educated in the United States and has an American wife. He, like his father and much of the country is pro western. But, I suppose it's just too much bother to spend any time really analyzing the problem. Much simpler to just lump every muslim into one big pool and then recommend genocide as the answer. If you think you can win this war by just killing everyone in the Middle East you need psychological help. It's not only physically impossible, it's about an immoral an act as anyone could suggest.

And I think all Western countries who trust like that are foolish-perhaps fatally.
You can go on trusting anyone and everyone you like, but I believe that Muslims believe what their Koran says. To assume they do not is arrogant and insulting, is it not?
And the 'holy' and unchangeable Koran says Islam must rule over all and that infidels should be killed.
Can't get any more black and white than that!
I didn't write those bloodthirsty words- and pretending they don't exist and that millions don't believe them is laughable.
The King of Jordan was educated here- so that makes him A-ok? Where are the wholesale sweeps of Jordan to rid it of terrorists? I must have missed that on the news. Where was the news conference where he REJECTED those parts of the Koran that call for world domination and death to infidels-especially Jews? Where is the kinder, gentler, revised edition of the Koran from Jordan?
Talk and superficialities don't impress me.
How about the TERRORISTS who were educated here, the ones who are STILL in schools here? American education doesn't modify Islamic beliefs, it gives them better means to use it as a weapon. Do you think that 'home grown' terrorists from Britain are to be trusted because they were born and educated there? Time and time again we see it proven that being exposed to Western civilization does not have the mollifying effect on these death-cultists. Even here, they don't want to be Americanized- they want their surroundings Islamicized with howling from minarets, blacked out windows at pools, mosques where hatred of the country they CHOOSE to live in is spewed.

Forgive me if I think that manners learned in the West, being polite to one's face, and an occassional ' Bad Terrorist!' while they HARBOR and FUND them doesn't mean as much as their 'god's' word. I believe they obey that above all- why don't you?

I believe they obey that above all- why don't you?

You answered your own question. You "believe it." It's not based on a reasoned look at facts, you just choose to believe it. I don't know where you get your interpretation of the quran, but it is in fact just an interpretation. Listen to many scholars of the Quran and you will hear different interpretations of it. In fact, if you are an Islamic terrorist in Jordan, you had better conduct your business in secret because just as in the United States or Europe, if you are discovered you will be arrested. I promise you, you would be far better off in jail in the US than in Jordan. You don't see things like sweeps of terrorists in Jordan so you jump to some fairly ignorant conclusions that ergo they must be protecting them. You might try a little research on occasion. They have provided us with a lot of information that has led to renditions of terrorists. They have done a whole lot more than the Italians who put out an arrest warrant against Americans who conducted a rendition on their soil. I'd rather have Jordan on our side any day than France or Italy.

You have this wild notion about the Middle East. Have you ever been here? I have spent a lot of years in the region and your portrait of the people is profoundly ignorant. You don't even have the slightest notion about the differences in sects? Do you have any clue why the Sunnis are killing the Shiite? Or why the Kurds are hated by both sides, or why the Kurds, who are muslim by the way, are so pro American. Does your hate for all muslims extend to the Kurds, or do you have good muslims and bad muslims on a seperate list. Do you know that the vast majority of muslims are much like American catholics or Jews or Methodists who are muslim in name only and don't practice their religion except on the occasional holiday? You seem to think all muslims celebrate every time an infidel dies. You simply have no idea and have found it far easier to just assume things. When you set about killing all the muslims are you going to go in and kill the Afghanis who suffered under the sadist Taliban and now know better than anyone what muslim extremism means at the ground level? You've got all muslims down to a simple caricature that makes it easy for you to hate.

I agree 1000%.
The argument that we would destroy the Constitution by doing so is ludicrous. We had a Constitution in WW2 didn't we? Did we keep the internment camps after we won the war? No.
And the Japanese, at the time, were NOT terrorizing the world with suicide bombers. They MIGHT have trained kamikaze's here to plunge planes into buildings, but it seems INTERNMENT prevented a lot of what might have happened here.
Japan attacked us-- Japanese here were suspect and interned as a precaution.
This bunch is slick enough to attack under no country's flag- but in the name of a 'religion'. They want to USE the Constitution to DESTROY the Constitution.
Islam is no religion. It's a political cult hiding under the guise of a religion. Semantics will cost this country EVERYTHING if we don't find the same kind of courage we had in WW2 to deport and open internment camps.
Protect FIRST. Worry about fairness later.

I think you suffer from an underdeveloped sense of cultural- and personal- self preservation.

Do you even see how offensive your statements are? Does it even occur to you that statement you made above is precisely the argument the Nazi's made for first interring the Jews, then trying to expel them, and finally exterminating them? First you lump an entire group of people under one grotesque stereotype in which you ignore completely anything that doesn't support your thesis (you still haven't explained what happens to the Kurds, the Jordanians, and the Kuwaitis who support us in this war, under your progrom), then you suggest that anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't have a sense of their own culture or a sense of self preservation. Do you have the slighest understanding of history and that the argument that exterminating the Jews was about preserving the German culture and existence? Do you do anything but react to your own worsts instincts?

I have a VERY good understanding of the German/Jewish situation. My father fought in WW2. He walked into the concentration camps the Germans had built, he SAW the 'good German' citizens who lived near those camps, and who SMELLED the cooking flesh of people who went in but never came out of places like Nordhausen and Birkenau.
The correct comparison is not Muslims to Jews, but Muslims to Nazis. We- Western culture- are the Jews. The Nazis and Muslims have the same 'take over the world' agenda at their core. The KORAN says that. The Muslims conducting terror say that. Signs hung in Britain saying that Islam will rule are pretty clear. World domination is the goal of Islam.
Nazis LIED when they said Jews wanted to take over the world. They conducted a pogrom against them based on LIES. There were no Jewish rabbis preaching taking over the German government in Germany. Do you not see the difference between LIES about Judaism and TRUTH about Islam?
The Jews of WW2 did NOTHING to deserve annihilation. The Muslims of today( and throughout history) are doing PLENTY!
If it were the Amish I would feel the same- but it isn't!
You asked about the Kurds, Jordanians and Kuwatis et. al who 'support' us against terrorism.
My problem with Islam is the 'kill all infidels' part, the 'dominate the world' part, and the brutalization of women. ANY 'Muslim' who would be willing to DISAVOW all of that-who would be willing to rip those pages from the Koran in public and act accordingly I would consider unthreatening.
Show me a Kurd, Kuwati or Jordanian Muslim who will kiss a Jew, help a Jew, defend a Jews right to exist and be Jewish- and I will exempt them from what I think of all Muslims. Show me a Kurd, Kuwaiti or Jordanian Muslim who does not think of women as property, who does not put his 'honor' above HER LIFE- and I will consider them decent humans.

Please understand. I don't care if people want to worship their old naval lint, or a giant squid god, or do any number of weird things in the name of religion- as long as it doesn't involve human torture and sacrifice and the CALL FOR MY DEATH because I won't go along. That's a 'biggie', but you don't seem to think so.
I don't 'lump an entire group under one grotesque stereotype' THEY DO IT THEMSELVES! It's THEIR group identification- not mine! All Muslims consider EVERY word of the Koran- including those that direct them to kill infidels and impose Sharia on the world- as HOLY! Revered! They will NOT delete those words- but they don't believe them?
Please! If you don't believe something you don't consider it holy.
It's the KORAN they all have in common. The KORAN that has the blueprint- and marching orders- for all Muslims to erase every other religion. Which- the world over- they have done wherever they rule.
Islam tolerates NO other belief system. Why should we tolerate Islam when doing that will negate all other religions?
It's very simple for 'good Muslims' to prove people like me wrong. All they have to do is show the world the 'good' face of Islam. They are letting the 'bad Muslims' put an evil face on Islam- where is the 'good face'? Where are the Muslim interdenominational rallies? The Muslim ladies groups bringing food to sick and homebound Jews? Where is the effort by 'good' Muslims to win hearts on a local, then nationwide, level?
They keep themselves seperate. They know only one way to 'interact' and that is to make society change to accept them- they NEVER change to fit into society- because the RULES OF THE KORAN, the laws of the 7th century, will not let them. It's a one way street with Muslims- and I'm sick to death of it.
You do NOT have a sense of self preservation, if you are anything other than Muslim, if you think you can live with Islam and not be dominated by it. You won't face the nature of the beast. Fine- go right ahead . Eventually Islam will make you face what it is.
But you're not going to get away with comparing the Muslims to the Jews- not with the daughter of a man who fought those Nazis face to face.
Judaism was innocent. Islam is GUILTY.
WE are the Jews!

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