Bill Frist and Vidkun Quisling*
Separated at birth?
Fristling = a perfidious man who collaborates with the enemy to betray vulnerable humans
Posted on 07/29/2005 5:55:35 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
WASHINGTON - Sen. Sam Brownback expressed disappointment Friday in the surprise decision by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist to endorse research on human embryonic stem cells, but said he looks forward to debating the issue on the Senate floor.
Opposition to embryonic stem cell research has been a signature issue for Brownback as he courts Christian conservatives in weighing a possible bid for the presidency in 2008.
The Kansas Republican has hinted that he might even filibuster a bill allowing the research if alternatives are not considered at the same time. But Brownback said Friday he would be satisfied if the Senate also allowed a vote on several alternative stem cell bills backed by conservative groups.
"I'm disappointed, but I wouldn't consider it a defeat at all," Brownback said. "This is a robust debate that's going on in the nation and it should."
A measure sponsored by Sen. Arlen Specter pending in the Senate would permit federal funding for research on stem cell lines currently stored at fertility clinics.
Federal funding is currently limited to specific stem cell lines in existence as of Aug. 9, 2001.
The measure, which has considerable support in the Senate, already has been approved in the House. But President Bush has threatened to veto the measure.
Because human embryos are destroyed during research, religious conservatives and abortion opponents have staunchly opposed the Specter bill.
Brownback said he wants a vote on his measure to ban human cloning for reproduction and research.
They have and you just haven't heard it. Why that is I don't know. We call them snowflakes and people adopt them.
But if they aren't complaining about unused embryos being discarded, then what's the logical basis for complaining if they're being dissected and used for medical purposes?
Doesn't apply.
She can't, he has been disbarred.
aposiopetic-- sorry to have duplicated your post... you must have posted it while I was typing mine. :-)
Dog gone, Former Fetus:
The number of embryos that are conceived via IVF can be controlled-- this is done by a doctor in a petri dish. The problem is that babies conceived in vitro are less likely to implant successfully and survive to full term than are babies conceived naturally. Babies that are conceived in a group of say, 25, and are frozen, are weakened in the process, and may die simply as a result of the IVF procedure. There is sufficient cause for pro-lifers to be concerned about IVF itself - donation of "spare" embryos to lethal research is not the only problem.
Thanks for providing the greater detail in your post. Besides, repetition is the key to learning :-)
No doubt many opinions exist.
It's a troubling issue but I don't think we'll ever reach a settled conclusion.
There is no requirement in the Constitution that a Justice be a member in good standing of any bar. The Constitution does not provide that such officers serve for life but rather that they "shall hold their Offices during good behavior," so this alone could serve as an effective term limit for WJC if he gets appointed.
Right! and if I'm correct, the British have already passed a law limiting the number of embryos that can be formed at each try. We should encourage adoption of those embryos already formed, and prevent the formation of more embryos than those who are going to be implanted.
Some of them are adopted -- Snowflake babies
Many Americans do not want their tax money to be used
1. Some people are complaining, and have been complaining since the earliest days of "unused embryos."
2.Some people don't think the government should be involved in destroying humans
3. Some people don't want their tax money to be spent on destroying humans
4. Some people think ESCR is "pie-in-the-sky" research.
Where's he gonna be?
He's not my first choice, but he's gonna be reelected easily with lots of leftover cash.
The more I think about it the more I think he could do it.
Agreed if the choice is to use them for research as opposed to just discarding them it only makes sense to use them. I just don't think that it should become a harvesting issue.
Agreed if the choice is to use them for research as opposed to just discarding them it only makes sense to use them. I just don't think that it should become a harvesting issue.
Depends how many eggs are used.
One egg, max of one embryo.
But they usually like to do lots at once 'cause they can always throw the rest of the embryonic humans away, or freeze 'em, or experiment on 'em.
And to answer another question, while the embryonic humans might be destroyed anyway, that's not a good reason for government to APPROVE and FUND an equally gruesome practice of experimenting on and destroying embryonic humans.
If there's money to be made, the research will be done, one way or the other.
Biologists and the science of biology suffered in the Soviet Union when the pie-in-the-sky ideas of Lysenko were funded by the government.
In response to the crisis, Stalin began to demand that geneticists develop crop plants more rapidly to solve the problems of famine. Careful scientific work was sacrificed to political expediency. The Stalinist bureaucrats became increasingly impatient with the painstaking methods that scientific breeding required. The actual crossbreeding of varieties and the subsequent testing of the new plants could take as long as a decade.The Soviet bureaucrats wanted quicker results and turned to breeders who told them what they wanted to hear, no matter how implausible their methods. Under these conditions, T.D. Lysenko, a plant breeder from Odessa, was promoted to the highest posts in the field, destroying many of the gains made by Soviet science.
Lysenko promised a rapid increase in crop yields. He is best known for his fraudulent claims that yield could be increased by a process he called "vernalization." Contrary to scientific knowledge at the time, Lysenko asserted that one species could be directly converted to another by subjecting it to external influences. [snip]
Lysenko's crackpot ideas were not subjected to scientific scrutiny either in the Soviet Union or internationally. He was elevated not because his ideas had any validity, but because his claims met the propaganda requirements of the Stalinist bureaucracy. Lysenko's ideas of rapidly expanding agricultural production dovetailed with the falsified statistics used by Stalin to demonstrate the advances under his regime.
I'd love to know how many corporations are privately funding ESCR.
You'd think they'd be anxious to invest in this..
Let's make sure that the "destroy the embryo" people are consistent, too.
If they want to destroy some unused embryos, then they have to be consistent and destroy all unused embryos.
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