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Bush Wins CAFTA But Loses Wider War
Oxford Analytica ^
| 07.29.05
Posted on 07/29/2005 7:57:25 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
This means that Congress cannot amend the agreement. You can see that is unconstitutional can't you? Someone needs to challenge this then! Yet, not one person or organization does. Only silence.
Why is Ron Paul and his PAC not standing against this abrogation of the Constitution? Fast Track has been going on for 30 years now yet there has not been one challenge to it that you can cite.
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posted on
07/29/2005 10:32:12 AM PDT
by
Mase
To: Porterville
It is amazing how often Bush wins but is still consider in a worse spot than before.
That is EXACTLY the thought that was running thur my mind after reading this tripe.
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posted on
07/29/2005 10:34:36 AM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
To: Dat Mon
I don't know that I'm an expert although I've followed it closely.
My guess is that it'll have no effect on the prices of produce at least for quite some time. What will eventually happen is that the inefficient Central American farmer will be displaced by the more efficient corporate farmer and the price of produce in today's dollars will come down. To some extent, that was already happening anyway, but CAFTA will probably hasten that process.
To: Eagles Talon IV
To: hedgetrimmer
The film, based on journalist MARIE BRENNER's Vanity Fair article In The Kingdom Of Big Sugar, will follow the fortunes of a young female attorney fighting abusive labour practices, who confronts a powerful sugar baron, who is renowned for exploiting his immigrant workers. LOL! The sugar barons are on your side. They were, with the leftist democrats and extreme right, the biggest opponents of CAFTA.
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posted on
07/29/2005 10:42:24 AM PDT
by
Dane
( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
To: Dane
The sugar barons are on your side
There you go! We don't have an aristocracy in this country, unless creating one has been part of the "free trade" agreements you champion. And if they are on our side, why are leftists like Foster making movies about them using your own method of defamation? Wouldn't she call them a different name than the fake conservatives do?
Besides that, the Fanjuls never cared whether the CAFTA passed or not, they have 20,000 employees in the Dominican Republic, they make money regardless. Since you all worship "free trade" so much you should appreciate them and not call them names. You know, is it just coincidence that they named the CAFTA, CAFTA-DR?? I wonder.
To: Mad Dawgg
Believe me, I am trying to see the good in Cafta. I am hoping for the best. Today I heard some good reasons, like keeping those South American Countries on our side, rather than having them influenced by Castro, and other corrupt goverments.
Nafta has been very detrimental to Idaho's economy. Mostly because of the Canadian goverment. I can explain further, but it will take more time than I have now, as I am leaving for the day.
To: hedgetrimmer
Demonization is their speciality. Its so communist, and so unAmerican talk about fellow citizens like this. I wish you could make up your mind, hedge. Last time we were all fascists.
Like "Big Sugar"? You should read what these guys said about the sugar producers of this country.
I did read what you said about big sugar though:
"To summarize, a price support program that literally pays for itself keeps American sugar producers in business, gives us a self-sufficient sugar supply( a goal other countries feel is important too)."
You keep forgetting the fascist motto:
"Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State."
Sound familiar?
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posted on
07/29/2005 10:52:14 AM PDT
by
Mase
To: cambridge
"Unions are agains it, Bush is in favor. Sounds good to me."
I noticed that a whole bunch of pro-CAFTA people signed up in the last month or so. Do you guys get a membership card and a secret decoder ring? Do you all work in the Beltway somewhere? Who is the president of the pro-CAFTA club? Dane? Dog Gone? 1Rudeboy?
To: Dane; hedgetrimmer
the buchanan/tancredo side is with the DUmmies in their hate Bush campaigns. Not surprising at all since Buchanan tried to team up with Nader in 2000.
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posted on
07/29/2005 10:55:04 AM PDT
by
Mase
To: hedgetrimmer
And if they are on our side, why are leftists like Foster making movies about them using your own method of defamation? My own method of defamation?
Whatever, the fact still remains that the sugar industry and barons were against CAFTA(i.e on your side).
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posted on
07/29/2005 10:55:14 AM PDT
by
Dane
( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
To: Delphinium
like keeping those South American Countries on our side
Thats for diplomatic treaties to do, not trade agreements. If the adminstration followed the Constitution, they would do it that way.
To: Dog Gone; Brilliant
I appreciate the honest answers. The answer IMO is 1.0 for now and for the foreseeable future.
As to your comment..."What will eventually happen is that the inefficient Central American farmer will be displaced by the more efficient corporate farmer and the price of produce in today's dollars will come down."
Free market theory would predict that...but these countries operate with government controls...as does our own economy, unfortunately. When the government gets involved...who knows.
That is part of the concern I have with large complex, internationally governed trade agreements such as this one.
An example of government controls at work...Why is it that my formally relatively undeveloped township (with lots of trees and open farm spaces) now has a higher tax rate (property and income) despite the fact that there are a lot more stores and office buidings in one corner of it? More tax receipts from business should mean more revenue for the township...and a reduction in taxes.
Never seems to work out that way.
My other concern is what happens to those displaced farmers who are largely dirt poor and uneducated. I hope they dont start coming up here en masse and add to those already here doing those infamous jobs we wont or cant do.
Better have some good border security once this agreement starts to kick in.
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posted on
07/29/2005 11:00:48 AM PDT
by
Dat Mon
(still lookin for a good one....tagline)
To: Mase
I did read what you said about big sugar though:
I said nothing about "big sugar", you did. I talked about American sugar producers, just in case you have trouble with your reading comprehension.
You keep forgetting the fascist motto:
No, I never learned it, like you have.
I do know this one, however:
I believe in the United States of America as a Government of the people, by the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed, - a democracy in a republic, a sovereign nation of many sovereign States; a perfect union, one and inseparable, established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice, and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes.
I therefore believe it is my duty to my Country to love it; to support its Constitution; to obey its laws; to respect its Flag; and to defend it against all enemies.
To: Dane
Gosh, how did we get barons in this country? Like I said, was there some secret side agreement passed in the CAFTA that created an aristocracy when the rest of us weren't looking?
To: Mase
Let's see, that's how many times you've given Buchanan free publicity on this thread?
To: Dane
Whatever, the fact still remains that the sugar industry and barons were against CAFTA(i.e on your side).
Yet I have told you the Fanjuls have sugar plantations in the Dominican Republic. How does that put them on "my side"?
To: Dane
The number of posts here on FR where W was a lock to be a one term President like his father before him was astronimical.
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posted on
07/29/2005 11:05:26 AM PDT
by
xp38
To: Dane
YOU SAID..."The sugar barons are on your side. They were, with the leftist democrats and extreme right,..."
Not quite true.
I may be extreme..but dammit...I USE HONEY EXCLUSIVELY!
Sugar is bad for you.
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posted on
07/29/2005 11:08:22 AM PDT
by
Dat Mon
(still lookin for a good one....tagline)
To: hedgetrimmer
I know, I am looking for reasons for me to feel better about it.
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