Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 11

Various News Outlets | 7/29/05

[Froufrou]

"PVDS has money in 12 banks."

I remember reading this somewhere. I never got the skinny on the so-called ATM withdrawals, is that fact or rumor?

Since Mansur's brothers were extradited to Puerto Rico for money-laundering, I'd imagine he could be involved too. Maybe all his stories are a smokescreen because he is also involved.

[presently no screen name]

Jossy seems to find out what he wants to find out



And tells us just what HE wants us to know.

[eleni121]

Those who have posted on the Mansur family are getting to the nexus IMO. And since I never trusted the Mansurs (originally from Lebanon - I wonder what that means) I suggest that Natalee was abducted and she is probably in Venezuela. Pardon me if this has already been posted but it is an important read:

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

[Froufrou]

Her sister will handle that. Beth's not leaving without Natalee.

[Jrabbit]

Is there some reason to believe this "Shango" poster actually knows something? What makes people belive him/her?

Posters that post in riddles are useless. IMO

[monkeywrench]

Not that I've read.

[presently no screen name]

I'm jumping all over the place today



Not necessarily - that thought is a strong possibility, IMO.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"The abandoned warehouse maze on Palm Beach across from the gas station is called: "Grand Guignol palace of horrors"

News Briefs for October 1- 31, 2002

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter65.html

Where Creatures go BUMP in the Dark

Sergio Gallero the creative motor behind Aruba’s upcoming Haunted House reports the place will be operational for two full years. Imagine, a nonstop horror-fest for just Afls 10,- (US$ 6) admission, any time during the year. Opening night? Sergio is working 24-a day to meet his deadline, which is naturally Halloween! On Halloween day, the bloody ribbon will be cut hailing the opening of the island’s second Grand Guignol palace of horrors, blood and gore. Why second? In the 80s, the American families which used to live within Lago oil refinery’s colony cleverly transform a derelict cottage into a Haunted House, each year. Thus some of the island kids are familiar with the concept. The others are in for a surprise. Don’t worry, says Sergio. All along the horror maze, emergency exits were cut into the walls allowing the faint of heart an escape route as their hearts leap into their throats, refusing to come down again.

Venezuelan entrepreneur Sergio Gallero is at the helm of the project. You met Sergio before, as Guy Bavli’s impresario. The famed Israeli mind reader is planning to renew his local engagement here within a short time, meanwhile he is on vacation and Sergio on the other hand is obsessed with his Halloween project, metastasizing on Palm Beach, across the gas station.

The deserted warehouse is getting a set of faux exteriors made of papier mache, fabric and glue. Inside, twenty five characters will be scaring the living day lights out of visitors among them foulmouthed Chuckie the nightmare doll – Sergio recruited a short person, for the role, mass murderer Freddy Krueger wearing his favorite weapon a leather glove reinforced with steel plating sporting four 6 inch knife blades, Friday the 13th Jason Voorhees, fondly remembered for decapitating, axing, knifing and throat slitting kids on Camp Crystal Lake. Classic, robotic Frankenstein, blood sucking count Dracula, the mythological
bride which murders all prospective husbands, hold on to your heart, that’s not all, you will be visiting a graveyard, a morgue, in short walking along a dark 500-meter gauntlet filled with shrieking skeletons, blood geysers, shut coffins which fly open, and a army of sophisticated, creepy ghouls and ghosts. Sergio’s is a Halloween cultist. According to him, it’s the best holiday,
deserving a grand spectacle, of thirteen different scenes.

Besides the horror show, scary pizza will be offered and scary souvenirs. You can’t believe how many people drive by and ask when the place will be opening says Sergio. According to him, the locals are not a bunch of scaredy-cats!

[Jrabbit]

Thanks. I haven't heard anything about it on Fox....but it's the week-end. ~sigh~

[Rippersnapper]

I remember reading this somewhere. I never got the skinny on the so-called ATM withdrawals, is that fact or rumor?

I've never seen any confirmation of that either.

[Froufrou]

"The US is concerned about credible reports that some members of the Aruban government met regularly with individuals associated with drug trafficking and money laundering syndicates. In spite of, or perhaps because of, the denials by Aruba officials, the US remains convinced that entrenched money laundering organizations direct large cash deposits into land development and other construction projects on the island. (3) The Netherlands is equally worried. ""I think we are going to loose it on Aruba"," Arthur Docters van Leeuwen, the Dutch Attorney General, said about the counter-narcotics efforts on the island. Aruba is in the hands of some powerful families and Holland can't do anything about it, due to constitutional restraints. (4)"

Thanks for this valuable post! Really not surprising, they just go with the flow.

[uncitizen]

what is the FBI's role in all this? It sounds like they are simply going over the evidence that ALE has already oicked over

This is one thing that has bothered me. All the FBI have to work with is the evidence given to them by the inept Aruban authorities. If those authorities are in any way corrupt then good evidence could be gone forever.

[Dolphy]

That's an interesting choice of names. Are you familiar with the history of the Grand Guignol in France?

The Théâtre du Grand Guignol may be the largest dirty little secret in the world...

Each night for sixty-five years, the Grand Guignol titillated and terrified audiences drawn from every sector of society. The pimps and petty-thieves of the Sacré-Coeur basilica shared benches with the crowned heads of Europe. During the theatre's heyday, regular Guignoleurs, as the theatre's patrons were known, included the King of Greece, Princess Wilhemina of Holland, King Carol of Rumania, the children of the Sultan of Morocco, and a Vietnamese political refugee, Ho Chi Minh, then a noodle and pastry cook at a local Chinese restaurant. Link

[presently no screen name]

if the witness was credible,



(Playing catch up w/yesterday's thread) IF the underground is involved w/this - they could bribe/coerce anyone w/a very good rep to be a witness...thus, a credible witness.

[Sunshine55]

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[Froufrou]

I've been concerned about this, too. I heard on FOX this morning that the Aruban judge has ruled that DNA the ALE turned over cannot be used, but that the prosecution can order new samples. I thought that was old news.

As for Shango, I see many people who think he's Mansur. I really think Mansur's the one dishing out the herrings. I don't think they'll find anything in the pond or the landfill, but look how much time will have been lost...

[presently no screen name]

There is enough corruption and apparently fear on the Island to make a lot of people walk the way they are told.



EXACTLY. And those that come forward just may be suspect.

[presently no screen name]

They caused a problem for the bigger guys because Beth won't leave without her daughter.



Well said. Two months later and now 'witnesses'?

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

more about sergio and who's who:

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter62.html#story5

[TexKat]

She was a runaway. She's home now.

Thanks for the info Krodg.