Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 11

Various News Outlets | 7/29/05

[TexKat]

Natalee Holloway is shown in this undated family photo. (AP Photo/family photo)

[stlnative]

[TexKat]

So, is Candiotti saying TJ Ward is a liar?

Sounds more like the witness and the interpreter are calling Ward a liar.

[stlnative]

sorry my post offended you - but I stick by my comment.

[Jrabbit]

That's unfortunate....why would he lie?

[TexKat]

As someone posted earlier up the thread perhaps something got misunderstood in the translation. I would like to know exactly when the interview took place since Candiotti stated that within 30 minues of the PI visit the witness told ALE that she did not tell the PI what T.J. Ward has been reporting.

[Jrabbit]

It is frustrating when no dates are given. I wonder if it's intentional?

[Dolphy]

Was it ever determined how the Prime Minister in Aruba was able to demand the FBI/Dutch involvement in the investigation. I know that he wrote a letter but I had thought earlier in the case he was told that he didn't have the authority to do that.

[GarySpFc]

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[RGVTx]

RWV says they hear TJ Ward, the PI, is charging Natalee's family $125 per hour. Ward seems to be all about self-promotion. Claims of Ward bragging about almost nightly TV appearances and mentions of a possible book deal.

Was suggested by RWV "solid sources" that Ward appears to have no solid basis for his claims of a witness seeing Deepak's car driving thru her neighborhood.

It's not looking good for TJ Ward. His only hope it seems is to produce an audio recording of his interview with this woman, if one exists.

[RGVTx]

This doesn't sound good to me.

From RWV:
Update: Currently, it's my understanding that while the FBI has been invited in "in full capacity," there may be a ruling next week which could prevent their conclusions being used as evidence in court. Seems like a bit of a mixed bag, but that could also be a workable solution for all.

[bolta_lightnin]

>Where is she now? Did they keep her and ship her off to >some other country? Did the heat come
>down to fast so they killed her and left here for the 3 >amigos to bury with a reminder to keep their
>mouths shut?

>bolta_lightnin, Am I close??

Your guess is as good as mine, truthluva.

I'm going to hang on to the notion that as long as a Dutch Operative is posting clues to her whereabouts and mentioning the "KEY" to the cold storage room where she is, that she has not been moved. That, as late as Thursday was the case.

This guy is not a kid. He is articulate, he has an objective and he is in earnest. He is playing cat and mouse on SM with the bad guys and even uses that phraseology.
He was clever enough to come up with the term "doppleganger"
for a poseur of "SIMIAN" right off the cuff in a chat. That shows a high degree of intelligence (or a pre-established code.) Well, I wake up this a.m. with the idea that there was no SIMIAN poseur...there were a pair of "fetid spirits" at the same keyboard and the doppleganger referenced a beheading. More research is needed into the background of the beheaded man found, and who was supposed to be impressed by such a warning.

[monkeywrench]

"red saw deepak at hooter's tonite, acc. to native. she came on about 4am or so and told us this. (she saw red tonite)"

FRom SM.

[bolta_lightnin]

>The other witness saw the pickup at the landfill, got the >tag numbers of the pickup, saw three
>males drop a *wrapped* female body in the landfill.

That contradicts the other "witness" report that he saw hair, skin, and nakedness all topped off with a kiddie pool.

witness 2 must have seen a different victim

[bolta_lightnin]

>Jossy states that it was a white pickup with 3 occupants. >Another witness saw a white pickup at the
>Holiday Inn carrying what looked like it could be a body.

Jossy is getting evermore careless with his "witness" accounts. That is ridiculous! You'd have to be looking down from someplace to see inside of a pickup bed or standing right next to the truck. Then you'd have to be pretty certain a "wrapped" object is a body...this bearing in mind; why would you have any earthly reason to suspect someone is driving around with a body?

[bolta_lightnin]

correcting faux pas--too quick on the trigger.

body was seen *being loaded*
Maybe they needed to clean house of excess bodies accumulated? Too many body "witnesses", vehicles, body descriptions and locations. I'm not half kidding.

[stlnative]

Rumor has it that "the gardener" is (was?) employed by Julia Renfro.

Do you want to guess who the gardener works for? The boss that he told about the suspicious car and the 3 young men hiding in it on the night Natalee disappeared? Can you imagine why this native Aruban was afraid to come forward when his boss said that she would inform her good friend the Chief Police Commissioner.

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

One poster responds...

sinjin said... el diario is the news of arubans aruba today is news for expats and rich folk. jule is no poplar lady in aruba with arubans just with dutch. 7/30/2005 4:23 AM

[BunnySlippers]

Ward has always struck me as self promoting. I wouldn't put anything past him.

[Dark Skies]

bttt

[No Surrender No Retreat]

In my own opinion T.J. should be working the case and avoid all the face time on tv.,The only people he should be discussing the case progress status with, is the Holloway's or the FBI.

Aruba's LE damage control team is operating at full speed. Trapper bird and Ellen Viper Schippers's are their mouth pieces constantly appearing almost feverently on the verge of a, "Dean Melt-down."

I believe when one conducts a criminal investigation in a professional/unbiased manner the concept should be, "Deeds not Words."

I truly believe there are those who are P.I.s, who would have taken this case Pro Bono.They only charge would be for their lodging, travel(Aruba) and food.

If Ward really wanted to get some recognition. He should say, I not hear about getting paid, but to find Natalee and bring those responsible to justice.

"As I See It." By NSNR

[theophilusscribe]

In the U.S., there have been regular calls in the U.S. Congress, and from the U.S. Coast Guard and the National Transportation Safety Board, that cruise lines operating from U.S. ports, carrying U.S. passengers, should be held to U.S. standards, regardless of where a ship is built, under what flag of convenience it is registered, and where its owners are headquartered.

Fantastic find, RGVTx! Thanks for pinging me to it. I guess this sentence above is why people missing from cruise ships are put on the list.