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To: Cboldt

I don't claim to be a rocket scientist. We will defer to your knowledge for that.

Are you disputing the removal of Asbestos as one contributing factor in the O-ring failure? If so, I stand corrected for posting this article.


9 posted on 07/29/2005 5:24:15 AM PDT by nsmart
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To: nsmart

More blood on the hands of the greenies.
Don't forget that the WTC steel beams were coated with epoxy after the protests. Original specs called for Asbestos which might have kept the towers from falling.


13 posted on 07/29/2005 5:58:23 AM PDT by OldMagazine
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To: nsmart
Are you disputing the removal of Asbestos as one contributing factor in the O-ring failure?

No. I think that is accurate. But there were other issues too. The rubber "O" ring material was not elastic at the temperature it was being used at, the shuttle was launched on a colder day than it had ever been launched, etc. The presence of an asbestos backing material would have reduced the risk of burn through in that context, but the seal design was used beyond it's rated capability.

In fairness to the decision makers, "rated capability" in this case is a label I assign in hindsight. The seal is complex, and didn't have a clear "rating" like we see on everyday component parts of household and industrial appliances. But the decision makers are at fault, because the booster designers asserted "unsafe to launch."

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/SPACEFLIGHT/challenger/SP26.htm <- Other issues
http://vesuvius.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/explode.html <- Verbal description of seal changes
http://www.engineering.com/content/ContentDisplay?contentId=41009024 <- Human decision-making errors
http://cbsnews.cbs.com/network/news/space/51Lchap11recommendations.html <- More

On Sept. 15, 1980, the solid rocket booster joints were classified as criticality 1R, meaning the system was redundant because of the secondary O-ring. Even so, the wording of the critical items list left much room for doubt: "Redundancy of the secondary field joint seal cannot be verified after motor case pressure reaches approximately 40 percent of maximum expected operating pressure." The joint was classified as criticality 1R until December 1982 when it was changed to criticality 1. Two events prompted the change: the switch to a non-asbestos insulating putty - the original manufacturer had discontinued production - and the results of tests in May 1982 that finally convinced Marshall management that the secondary O-ring would not function after motor pressurization. Criticality 1 systems are defined as those in which a single failure results in loss of mission, vehicle and crew. Even though the classification was changed, NASA engineers and their counterparts at Morton Thiokol still considered the joint redundant through the ignition transient. The Rogers Commission found this to be a fatal flaw in judgment.

14 posted on 07/29/2005 5:59:35 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: nsmart

Great thread! And you are correct to defer to scientists and engineers. I should have a lot of say as well, understanding the construction of the Welsh longbow.

[Just kidding]


17 posted on 07/29/2005 6:21:20 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("McCainiac and Senator Flimsy 'Grahamma For Terrorists' Rights")
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To: nsmart
Are you disputing the removal of Asbestos as one contributing factor in the O-ring failure?

Here's another one. It too shows "there were plenty of design and 'decide to go' issues in addition to the asbestos."

http://www.tech.plym.ac.uk/sme/Interactive_Resources/tutorials/FailureCases/hs1.html
Above link has a cross section of the failed booster seal design.

19 posted on 07/29/2005 6:26:32 AM PDT by Cboldt
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