[Valin]

Ah.


"if Muslims don't want all to be labeled badly, they need to do something about it,"

It is happening, granted it dosen't make the headlines but it is happening.

I react rather negatively to broadbrush statements. You'll notice that I hardly ever use the word "all" when dealing with people.

[Tolik]

I generally agree with you, and try to avoid using "all". But, polemics can take better of me sometimes.

Your point about Muslim inner struggle not making headlines is contestable. The MSM is eager to prove that Islam is religion of peace every time they can. I don't see why would they be biased in NOT showing this struggle when they can.

Michael's fight was specifically with CAIR, and that organization is NOT a fair arbiter, or example of moderation, regardless of their fame and political standing. If they are indeed the representatives of the majority (at least of Muslims here in America), we are in bigger trouble with Islam, not just with Islamists, than we want to be.

I agree with Michael on many points, including this one: I don't want to learn about specifics of Islam too much beyond normal curiosity (same as I don't want to know the minute details of other religions of the world). It is enough for me to know that nobody is justifying murdering people.

The Jihadists (Wahhabists, Islamists, whatever the term is) must be defeated, and if necessary physically killed. It is much preferable if Muslims will do it themselves (and we should help any way we can). The problem is that if they are not going to subdue this beast, it will eventually strike us so painfully that our reaction will be less high-minded as we can afford now.