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Turkey Calls For U.S. Action on Kurdish Guerrillas
Sign On San Diego/Union Tribune ^ | 7/28/05

Posted on 07/28/2005 10:51:04 AM PDT by areafiftyone

LONDON; Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan warned on Thursday he could take action against Kurdish guerrillas in Iraq if U.S. forces did not stop the rebels infiltrating across the border into Turkey.

"At the moment, frankly speaking, we do not see the efforts by the U.S. that we expect to see. We have expressed our views to that effect to the Americans," Erdogan said in an interview with Britain's Times newspaper.

"There is a time limit. There is a limit to our tolerance," said Erdogan.

He said Turkey was within its rights under international law to defend itself from attack and drew a comparison with U.S. action against Afghanistan after the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001.

"That mandate is provided for in international law," he said.

"If a country, if a people, if a nation are under threat, that country can do what is necessary under international law ... we would exercise that right in the same way as any other country could, would and did exercise that right."

Turkey has blamed the banned Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) for a rash of violence in the southeast of the country and says the guerrillas use bases in northern Iraq as a launchpad for attacks.

Despite a lull in violence after the capture of PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan in 1999, fighting has increased sharply since the group called off a unilateral ceasefire last year.

The PKK has waged an armed campaign for an independent Kurdish homeland in southeast Turkey since 1984, and more than 30,000 people have been killed in the fighting.

Turkey has vowed never to negotiate with the PKK and together with the United States and the European Union brands the group as a "terrorist organization."

Ankara fears Kurds might establish an independent Kurdish state in northern Iraq and that this in turn could ignite separatism among Kurds in southeastern Turkey.

U.S. forces in Iraq are heavily committed against a Sunni Arab insurgency in central areas.

The Iraqi government, which has Kurds in senior posts, says Turkey must stay out of Iraq.


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To: areafiftyone
He said Turkey was within its rights under international law

Yes, except there is no such thing as international law. There are some treaties.

21 posted on 07/28/2005 12:12:50 PM PDT by RightWhale (Substance is essentially the relationship of accidents to itself)
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To: wrathof59
And we're still sending billions to Turkey in aid, WTF?

Could be the U.S. bases and radar/listening posts? Maybe Turkey's close ties with Israel? Perhaps their highly trained, U.S. supplied military? Or it could be that Turkey was a staunch NATO ally through 40 years of Cold War? PKK is a bunch of terrorists, they should be treated as such, screw the kurds.

22 posted on 07/28/2005 12:19:50 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Stupidity)
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To: IrishCatholic
Perhaps the Turks should be treated like Israel. Make them give the Kurds what they want in exchange for peace... I find it hypocritical that the Turks think they have more rights than they or anyone else afforded to Israel.

Still, if we fight terrorism under the colors of good vs. evil, we should not stand for it happening anywhere, especially in Iraq where we have the latitude to do something about it.
23 posted on 07/28/2005 12:26:39 PM PDT by dajeeps
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To: ScreamingFist

The problem started when Winston Churchill screwed the Kurds.

Turkey screwing us in the spring of 2003 in order to beholden themselves to the EU no longer makes them an ally of the US. All future transactions between Turkey and the US should be carried out by the President and Congress on a unilateral basis, ie only if it is advantageous to the US.

Turkey is no longer a staunch ally of ours and should no longer receive any unwarranted US aid.


24 posted on 07/28/2005 12:33:42 PM PDT by wrathof59 ("to the Everlasting Glory of the Infantry".........Robert A Heinlein)
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To: IrishCatholic
So far it seems we have and they don't like it. Pound sand.

And when they tell the U.S. to remove Incirlik AB, all our radar/listening posts and nukes and tell NATO to pound sand...?

25 posted on 07/28/2005 12:35:20 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Stupidity)
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To: ScreamingFist

We got around Turkey's resistence during our initial offense in 2003 (albeit at some cost) and could get around without Incirlik AFB if need be.

Turkey is no longer a staunch ally, Endrogen is now playing both sides of the fence.


26 posted on 07/28/2005 12:38:47 PM PDT by wrathof59 ("to the Everlasting Glory of the Infantry".........Robert A Heinlein)
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To: wrathof59
Turkey screwing us in the spring of 2003 in order to beholden themselves to the EU no longer makes them an ally of the US.

Blame collin powell. Sometimes it's good to let host countries know that you're planning an invasion through their territory. It had zero to do with the EU.

27 posted on 07/28/2005 12:39:15 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Stupidity)
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To: wrathof59
Turkey is no longer a staunch ally, Endrogen is now playing both sides of the fence.

Erdogan is a politician. And I would rather have the Turks as allies over the kurds, PKK and Syria any time.

28 posted on 07/28/2005 12:49:44 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Stupidity)
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To: RJL
I'll never trust Turkey again, never mind building bases in Turkey.

Right, let's trust the kurds, PKK and their syrian financers.

29 posted on 07/28/2005 1:00:12 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Stupidity)
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To: areafiftyone

They want action? How many guns and how much ammo should we send the Kurds?


30 posted on 07/28/2005 1:19:59 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
They want action? How many guns and how much ammo should we send the Kurds?

Just send the guns and ammo to syria, it'll have the same effect.

31 posted on 07/28/2005 1:37:36 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Stupidity)
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To: NY Attitude
Yep, they can go eat sh*t and die!

LOL, ex-military supporting PPK against the Turks......google PKK, their syrian ties and their love of suicide bombings. Screw the kurds.

32 posted on 07/28/2005 2:05:08 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Stupidity)
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To: ScreamingFist
PPK against the Turks

PKK against the Turks.....sorry.

33 posted on 07/28/2005 2:08:26 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Stupidity)
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To: ScreamingFist
I'll never trust Turkey again, never mind building bases in Turkey.

Right, let's trust the kurds, PKK and their syrian financers.

Not trusting Turkey doesn't mean we have to trust the Kurds, PKK and their Syrian financiers.

34 posted on 07/28/2005 2:29:38 PM PDT by RJL
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To: sandydipper
Sorta reminds me of the story about the little red hen that couldn't get anyone to help plant the corn

Exactly, except the corn was PKK terrorists killing Turks, tourists, and Germans. The mighty U.S. ate cornbread until 9/11.

35 posted on 07/28/2005 2:32:52 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Stupidity)
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To: RJL
Not trusting Turkey doesn't mean we have to trust the Kurds, PKK and their Syrian financiers.

Good point. The Turks are not our enemies, yet. I see no reason to aggravate the situation. Turks don't like suicide bombers any more than we do, letting PKK continue their jihad against Turkish civilians is asinine in the extreme. PKK needs to be shut down....now.

36 posted on 07/28/2005 2:42:06 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Stupidity)
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To: ScreamingFist

Turkey wants to join the EU and was willing to stand with France and Germany in defiance of our offensive on Sadaam Hussein.

That's what happened, that's why Turkey is no longer a staunch ally of the US. Turkey chose this openly.

Now Turkey needs the US once again as an ally, so they come with hands open. Just like our so-called Euroweenie "allies".

The EU will not admit Turkey, and at the rate they are going they will by Islama fascist in a few decades. anyway.


37 posted on 07/28/2005 2:44:52 PM PDT by wrathof59 ("to the Everlasting Glory of the Infantry".........Robert A Heinlein)
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To: wrathof59
Now Turkey needs the US once again as an ally, so they come with hands open. Just like our so-called Euroweenie "allies".

Unlike you FRiend, I lived in Turkey for years. Unlike you, I know many, many Turks. Unlike you, I worked with the U.S. military in Turkey. Unlike you, I worked with the Turkish military, in Diyarbakir, as they eradicated the PKK (financed by syria) scum that would slither from the mountains in Spring time to kill Turkish civilians. Unlike you, I happen to know that you don't want to screw with the Turks on matters of national pride and independence, which collin powell and his arrogant state department could not begin to understand. Unlike you, I know that the U.S. assured the Turks they would contain PKK after the invasion of Iraq, and thereby gained almost unlimited accesses to Incirlik and Turkish airspace, as well as areas for U.S. special forces deployment.

38 posted on 07/28/2005 2:59:28 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Stupidity)
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To: ScreamingFist

What a mess, if Turkey get involved in northren Iraq where is not telling what will happen next. I believe our founding father harned us about staying out of situtations like this.


39 posted on 07/28/2005 3:06:37 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: ScreamingFist

Thanks. Its nice to see someone who can remember stuff that happened more than a year ago on this forum.


40 posted on 07/28/2005 3:15:24 PM PDT by Turk2 (Dulce bellum inexpertis)
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