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Giving thanks for Hiroshima
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 07/30/05 | Andrew Kenny

Posted on 07/28/2005 7:02:24 AM PDT by Pokey78

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1 posted on 07/28/2005 7:02:24 AM PDT by Pokey78
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A dragonfly flitted in front of me and stopped on a fence. I stood up, took my cap in my hands, and was about to catch the dragonfly when...’

...when there were a series of attacks in the blue sky above Pearl Harbor, HI. This was on the morning of 7 December 1941.

Moral of the story: "Don't start nuthin, won't be nuthin!"

2 posted on 07/28/2005 7:08:10 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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The invasion of Japan itself would probably have been the bloodiest episode in human combat. Expecting it, Japanese Imperial Headquarters called for ‘100 million deaths with honour’.

My great-uncle was supposed to be in the second wave. His unit was built up to 120% strength, and they were told to expect 95% casualties. He's still alive today, thanks to President Truman.

3 posted on 07/28/2005 7:12:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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I read somewhere that the 3rd atomic bomb was a bluff, and the Pentagon heaved a sigh of relief when Japan surrendered. Had Japan fought on....


4 posted on 07/28/2005 7:15:04 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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But, but, but Pearl Harbor was a military base, and the rape of China and the rest of the Pacific was justified (those Chinese had it coming). America is evil, don't you get it?

Sincerely,

N. Pelosi
H. Dean


5 posted on 07/28/2005 7:16:21 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Had Japan fought on... millions of people would have died for nothing.
6 posted on 07/28/2005 7:16:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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>Giving thanks for Hiroshima ... More people were killed in the conventional bombing of Germany and Tokyo. More than twice as many were killed with machetes and clubs in Rwanda in 1994. Mao Tse-tung killed a hundred times more in a single episode simply by denying people food. A mediaeval torturer could easily match any individual horror of Hiroshima

Indeed. BUT we don't
"give thanks" for those other things,
so let's not "give thanks"

for Hiroshima.
We see what it compares to.
War's hell. Let's move on.

7 posted on 07/28/2005 7:16:52 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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I, too, think that the bombs were necessary to prevent further American deaths, but it was the final act of that war that made it acceptable to intentionally target civilians during armed conflict (whether that was ultimately for good or for bad has yet, I think, to be determined).


8 posted on 07/28/2005 7:18:30 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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No hard feelings!

9 posted on 07/28/2005 7:24:15 AM PDT by Prime Choice (Thanks to the Leftists, yesterday's deviants are today's "alternate lifestyles.")
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I, too, think that the bombs were necessary to prevent further American deaths, but it was the final act of that war that made it acceptable to intentionally target civilians during armed conflict (whether that was ultimately for good or for bad has yet, I think, to be determined).

Population centers were targets all throughout the second World War for both the Allied and the Axis forces. Attacking population centers during previous wars was usually considered a no no. But it started when a German pilot dropped his payload over a British civilian area (without orders) and it escalated from there.

Aside from that, the bombs weren't meant to (as a reason for the bombs) destroy the population of two cities. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were important manufacturing centers for the Japanese war effort. If the US wanted to simply annihilate Japanese people, they could have selected better targets.

APf

10 posted on 07/28/2005 7:44:51 AM PDT by APFel (This space for sale or rent)
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To: theFIRMbss
we don't "give thanks" for those other things

The situations in the comparisons did not have the result of avoiding millions more deaths. (This point was, I think, rather poorly handled by the author.)

11 posted on 07/28/2005 7:53:35 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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My dad flew in the China-Burma-India Campaign, was involved in a crash landing and had mostly recovered from his burns but was tapped to go back to Asia in the summer of '45. Fortunately for me (I came along in 48) he didn't have to go.


12 posted on 07/28/2005 7:54:08 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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Glad you're here :-).


13 posted on 07/28/2005 7:56:36 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Pokey78

The truth in this is as obvious as saying that breathing air is good for your health.


14 posted on 07/28/2005 8:00:37 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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The atomic bombings were awful events, but unfortunately necessary.

Seems like a whole generation has grown up with a notion that the US just decided to drop some nukes one day. Or something like that.

It was total war. They used just about everything they could on us, and we had to respond.

I'm no military expert, but I guess it's amazing that poison gas was not used on the battlefield as it had been in WWI. Apparently whatever international agreement held.

Except for the Germans, of course, who used it on so many civilians . . .


15 posted on 07/28/2005 8:01:16 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: APFel
Population centers were targets all throughout the second World War for both the Allied and the Axis forces.

Indeed. That's why I said it was the final act of that war that made such targeting acceptable.

Aside from that, the bombs weren't meant to (as a reason for the bombs) destroy the population of two cities. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were important manufacturing centers for the Japanese war effort. If the US wanted to simply annihilate Japanese people, they could have selected better targets.

One could find a rationalization to drop the bombs on any city other than to destroy the people living therein - manufacturing, food supply, energy production, whatever. To follow your argument, if we did not want to "annihilate" civilians, we could have found better targets.
16 posted on 07/28/2005 8:02:37 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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Realization is coming that I owe God and President Truman and Hiroshima for my existence on this planet. And truly, many others in America and Japan can say the same thing.

My father was in a Pennsylvania radio training school with the Marines when Hiroshima happened. He had been in training for a territorial assault on Japan. But then the war was over, he was sent home, found Mom, and they married and started a family (starting with me!).

The recent finding of old Japanese fighters who still think we are at war illustrates that this would have been a very devestating assault, had it happened. Probably my Dad and many other soldiers would not have survived.

17 posted on 07/28/2005 8:02:51 AM PDT by YepYep
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My minivan was made in Hiroshima. Very nice minivan.

They go from doing sneak attacks and massacreing lots of conquered Chinese, to making excellent, reliable cars, and generally being supportive of US foreign policy. Dropping the bombs was an important part of this positive transformation.

More importantly, it saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of our fathers, as well as many more Japanese men, women and children who planned to fight to the death. Pretty good outcome.

18 posted on 07/28/2005 8:04:24 AM PDT by Montfort (Many liberals hate Bush more than they love life.)
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To follow your argument, if we did not want to "annihilate" civilians, we could have found better targets.

For example...?

APf

19 posted on 07/28/2005 8:07:38 AM PDT by APFel (This space for sale or rent)
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Fat Man and Little Boy ultimately saved millions of American AND Japanese lives.


20 posted on 07/28/2005 8:09:29 AM PDT by dfwgator
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