In Bush Win, House Narrowly Approves CAFTA

Associated Press ^ | July 27, 2005 | JIM ABRAMS

[Clintonfatigued]

Yes, free to take a part-time job at Wal-Mart and move back in with Mom & Dad while struggling to pay off a student loan because one's job was outsourced to a third-world plantation state.

Free trade is a nice theory, but the theory has yet to work as its backers promised.

[Clintonfatigued]

There's nothing wrong with a middle class developing in foreign countries, but what about the middle class in this country?

[superiorslots]

Your Quote: Why do you support US companies moving over there?
I don't, never said it, never will.



Your Quote: I just don't agree with the people who insist that Wal-Mart should self-censor their purchase based on politics. If the public doesn't demand American products, and the politicians don't enact barriers, then why should the burden be upon Wal-Mart to discontinue selling Chinese devil products?



Your tagline says you are a "cheerleader for walmart". You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. So you don;t support companies moving over there but it's o.k. to buy products at WM-that were made in china and exported back to the US???

DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU STAND FOR???

[panaxanax]

"You're just angry because we created 21 million jobs since NAFTA."

When I hear the term "created jobs" I think of socialism. A "created job" is nothing more than a made up job in some new social program, i.e. BIGGER GOVERNMENT. A real job creates itself because of the need for a particular service or product.

Just my opinion.

[Proud2BAmerican]

[...] that you had no idea, why, couldn't be more shocked to finally discover, at this late date, that posting in response to an earlier missive means you are commenting upon same -- knock yourself out, kiddo. There were nearly THREE. HUNDRED. prior postings in this thread, by that point... and you just happened to post a Karl Marx anti-free trade snivel in "non-response" to the one filled with PRO-free trade Ronald Reagan ones. [...]

Actually, I've been a member since 1997; I'm not sure why it indicates that I joined in 2000. But for the past almost-5 years, I've been mostly an observer, rather than a participant, in threads. It's a useful site for my job -- a metro daily newspaper editor -- to be able to vet wire stories that we run as I'm editing them, to ensure fairness, as much as possible.

I don't know why a misunderstanding has engendered such hostility on your part -- to be frank, I really don't care -- but it's obviously degenerated to the point where I think your next post will simply be "liar liar pants on fire" so long as I insist that it truly was coincidence that my post followed yours, and that I was under the impression that the code of posting held that if you wished to comment on a previous post, you should include the poster's name in your response -- otherwise, proximity has nothing to do with it. Would you have taken offense had my post been separated by 1 post from yours? 2? 10? Or should it appear on an entirely new page? Is there a standard amount of time I should wait before posting after you, to ensure you do not again come under the mistaken impression that I'm responding to your post?

You know what? Never mind. Whatever it is you're accusing me of, yes, I did it. So draw up the confession papers, I'll sign them just to shut you up. No need to respond, because I'm pau.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

I did it.

The first three accurate, spin-free words you've posted on this thread, to date. "A journey of a thousand miles," as they say...

I'm pau.

Don't tease.

[dr_who_2]

Finally.

[AnimalLover]

Free trade is a nice theory, but the theory has yet to work as its backers promised.

You are so right! Just watch and see what happens now with CAFTA passed into law.

The Republicans as well as the Democrats have sold out their people for the most part and I note the sarcasm in my announcement of going Independent.

I'm afraid we are no longer a sovereign nation and will be open to edicts from the "One World Government" types.

[ThermoNuclearWarrior]

Tell me exactly what Bush has even tried to do that would help solve our illegal immigration problem? People like you pretend there is no way to solve the problem. You like to make excuses for why other people's ideas won't work but you never have any ideas of your own.

I know the president is not the only one who is responsible for securing our borders. But with a republican congress which he has considerable influence over he could solve this problem. Tell me what Bush has done or even tried to do that could be helpful in solving our illegal immigration crisis? Has congress stopped him from doing something that would have helped this problem? No. In the past Bush has forced republicans in congress to remove things from legislation that might have helped.

I know that past presidents and congressmen are also to blame. But Bush is currently the president. He's the most powerful man in the U.S. and he hasn't shown any interest at all in stopping illegal immigration. I know the powers of the president of the United States. Bush did everything he could to get CAFTA the votes it needed to pass. Do you think he will support the Cornyn-Kyl bill? No. He will probably support Ted Kennedy's bill unless he thinks it's to tough on illegals.

[Nowhere Man]

I wonder if we can challenge CAFTA in the courts?

[AnimalLover]

I agree LowOiL. I'm from Lexington, NC and this is going to kill whats left of NC's textile and furniture industry. And what's left of American manufactoring really.

Was anyone around when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor? We were able to snap into a war time mode immediately. All the manufacturing plants were converted to making arms, tanks, vehicles, planes, etc. Now, there is NO machine tool industry in this country. Everything is overseas.

Can you imagine what would happen if we were attacked now - what would we do? Please our orders with China, Korea, Taiwan and God knows who else.

I am sure everyone is aware that the Chinese bought out the personal computer division of IBM. They are also into the manufacture of micro chips that can be used in defense equipment.

My Lady Liberty rest in peace.

[Age of Reason]

In the first decade of NAFTA, US manufacturing output soared, U.S. employment grew, and U.S. manufacturing wages increased dramatically.

So?

We were coming out of the last economic slowdown.

Growth would have happened anyway--

And maybe even more growth without NAFTA.

[nopardons]

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh! And you dare call yourself a Conservative?

[Sirc_Valence]

"Maybe" is not a substitute for actuality.

So when you say "growth would have happened anyway" I agree, but not as much as it actually did. The stats reveal the impact of NAFTA to have been positive; the reason underlying the economics is absolutely sound. So your implications and speculations contradicting that simply betrays what one would assume to be your concerns about the effects of government policies and reform.

[1rudeboy]

Karl Marx believed that "free trade" would hasten his postulated revolution between the proletariat and the bourgeoise. A closer reading (even) of your selection establishes why he was in "favor" of free trade.

Now ask yourself, who on this thread is arguing much the same thing? Hint: not the "free-traders."

[Luke21]

All anyone needs to see is the 2 vote margin. Our rulers gave quarter to everyone they could in passing this hideous thing.

[nopardons]

You have less than no idea what has been and is being talked about behind the scenes, or even what IS out in the open. If you read more, you'd know that the president has been working on the border problem and that he actually is favoring Coryn-Kyl proposition.

You like to foam at the mouth, go off 1/2 cocked, and accuse others of things they are not "guilty" of.

There are very valid reasons why FORTRESS AMERICA will not only not work, but never be implemented. I have posted a bit about what I think would work, but I guess you've missed it or just ignored it, since it wasn't a cookie cutter replica of your own desires.

I've never made any excuses; just stated facts; something apparently foreign to you. ;^)

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tell that to Fort Payne Alabama... This has just killed the town (formally known as the Sock Capital of the World)...

I agree LowOiL. I'm from Lexington, NC and this is going to kill whats left of NC's textile and furniture industry. And what's left of American manufactoring really.

What does either of those towns have to do with the fact that 21 million jobs were created since NAFTA? Or that real wages are higher since NAFTA?

[Nowhere Man]

Was anyone around when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor? We were able to snap into a war time mode immediately. All the manufacturing plants were converted to making arms, tanks, vehicles, planes, etc. Now, there is NO machine tool industry in this country. Everything is overseas.

Can you imagine what would happen if we were attacked now - what would we do? Please our orders with China, Korea, Taiwan and God knows who else.

Well, we have the old Mark IA Spitball Launcher and if it came down to it, we can always point our index fingers and say "bang!"

My Lady Liberty rest in peace.

If I had a graphic of the US flag upside down, I'd post it. All I can say is I agree with you.

[Toddsterpatriot]

When I hear the term "created jobs" I think of socialism. A "created job" is nothing more than a made up job in some new social program, i.e. BIGGER GOVERNMENT. A real job creates itself because of the need for a particular service or product.

I'll speak slowly for you. The American economy has created 21 million new jobs since NAFTA.