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Florida Republicans Back Giuliani for President
Angus Reid ^ | 7/26/05

Posted on 07/26/2005 7:06:51 AM PDT by areafiftyone

(Angus Reid Global Scan) – More GOP supporters in the Sunshine State believe former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani would be a good presidential candidate, according to a poll by Strategic Vision. 28 per cent of respondents in Florida want Giuliani to be the Republican nominee in the 2008 election, a four per cent increase since June.

Current Florida governor Jeb Bush is second with 19 per cent, followed by Arizona senator John McCain with 17 per cent. Support is lower for former House of Representatives speaker Newt Gingrich, Tennessee senator Bill Frist, Virginia senator George Allen, Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum, Nebraska senator Chuck Hagel, and New York governor George Pataki.

In the 2004 election, Republican George W. Bush won Florida’s 27 electoral votes with 52 per cent of all cast ballots. In 2000, weeks of recounts and court injunctions concluded in a 537-vote victory for Bush over Democrat Al Gore. Since 1972, the only Democrats to carry Florida in a presidential election are Jimmy Carter in 1976 and Bill Clinton in 1996.

Polling Data

Who is your choice for the Republican Presidential nomination in 2008?
(Republicans only)

 

Jul. 2004

Jun. 2004

Rudy Guliani

28%

24%

Jeb Bush

19%

22%

John McCain

17%

15%

Newt Gingrich

9%

8%

Bill Frist

5%

6%

George Allen

4%

4%

Mitt Romney

2%

1%

Rick Santorum

2%

1%

Chuck Hagel

1%

1%

George Pataki

1%

1%

Bill Owens

--

1%

Undecided

12%

16%

Source: Strategic Vision
Methodology: Telephone interviews to 1,200 registered Florida voters, conducted from Jul. 16 to Jul. 20, 2005. Margin of error is 3 per cent.


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To: montag813
How would Giuliani be any worse on abortion.

The bully pulpit and rhetoric are often more powerful than legislation when it comes to changing hearts and minds. President Bush often invokes "culture of life" language, taken directly from Pope John Paul the Great's encyclical Evangelium Vitae. Moreover, it must have made some impact. A January 2003 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 1002 adults found that a plurality (42%) believed that abortion should be legal in only "a few circumstances." Only about one-fourth of respondents believed that abortion should be available "always." A December 2003 Zogby survey of 1200 adults asked the question, "Do you agree with the statement 'Abortion destroys a human life and is manslaughter?'" Fifty-two percent agreed with the statement.

Given his personal beliefs, I doubt that Rudi will use the bully pulpit to advance a culture of life the way President Bush has done so.

But abortion is not the most improtant issue anyway, It is Islamic terror

If you focus only on your own safety and that of your family's, then you are correct. Those of us who take the time to examine the position of the unborn child, however, believe that the abortion issue takes pre-eminence over all others because innocent, helpless Americans are being intentionally destroyed. All of us--military and civillian--can fight against terrorists; the heroes of Flight 93 are a gallant example of ordinary Americans fighting terror. The unborn child, however, is completely helpless. Thus, in justice, his protection is paramount.
41 posted on 07/26/2005 7:50:05 AM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: hispanichoosier

Well said.


42 posted on 07/26/2005 7:51:49 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior
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To: areafiftyone; tkathy
Not Many Freepers as I can see,

The usual suspects who are either pro-abortion or don't really care are lining up behind Rudy.

But I think y'all will find that abortion, marriage, and the Second Amendment mean a whole lot to the base of the Republican Party.

Of course Rudy will get plaudits for travelling the country campaigning for conservatives. But when he proposes setting himself up as the liberal ruler, it'll be thanks but no thanks.

43 posted on 07/26/2005 7:57:58 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: slowhand520
My question is, as conservatives are we prepared to accept Giulliani in 2008 if he wins the nomination?

The real question if that happens is, what would be the alternative (i.e. which 'Rat would get elected if Rudy didn't)? I would be very surprised if the 'Rat candidate was a better candidate than Rudi. Very surprised indeed.

In any case, it's still July 2005. We are 2.5 years from the first primary. Many things can happen in that time to change the political landscape -- for example, Shrillary could melt.

44 posted on 07/26/2005 8:00:40 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (WE WILL WIN WITH W)
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To: JohnnyZ

Rudy is well aware of that. He has been talking to real conservatives all over the place and is well aware of those issue that are important to Conservatives. He has said that 9/11 and his cancer has changed him. We will see how much he has changed when and IF he runs!


45 posted on 07/26/2005 8:00:50 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: areafiftyone
This survey notwithstanding, I think Rudy would have a very tough time bringing out the base, especially in the South. If it becomes Rudy vs. Hiltlery, that would present a very big problem for those who would rather stay home than vote for a RINO.

Thankfully, the election is many years away which gives real conservative candidates time to build their name recognition. That all this survey was about anyway.

46 posted on 07/26/2005 8:01:19 AM PDT by Mase
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To: Mase

I agree. But of the list of candidate that are up there I would rather wait to see if someone new comes out. I don't like any of them!


47 posted on 07/26/2005 8:02:16 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: hispanichoosier
Those of us who take the time to examine the position of the unborn child, however, believe that the abortion issue takes pre-eminence over all others because innocent, helpless Americans are being intentionally destroyed

You didn't read my post at all. Abortion is of CRITICAL importance to me, which is why Bush's tenure has been so utterly dissapointing to me. Supporting the fetal cannibal Specter over Toomey, not even proposing to cut a single penny from the Planned Parenthood vampires, no programs proposed to fund 3D ultrasounds, which Patricia Heaton is spending $1 million of her own money to finance. How is this "promoting a culture of life".

Bush has uttered lots of words, but where are the deeds on abortion? Partial Birth...that's IT. That's all we get. Even Giuliani suports that. and I promise you'll never hear Rudy utter the words "Religion of Peace" or ever take his shoes off in a mosque.

48 posted on 07/26/2005 8:06:47 AM PDT by montag813
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To: areafiftyone
I would rather wait to see if someone new comes out.

Any names you'd like to see?

I liked Governor Owens of Colorado, but he successfully shot himself in both feet and will not be in the mix. Allen has been a governor of a southern state, a good background if you want to win, but I don't know all that much about him yet. No one else comes to mind.

49 posted on 07/26/2005 8:08:25 AM PDT by Mase
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To: areafiftyone
"I don't like any of them!"

How the hell did Jeb even make it on the list? I know they polled Florida but the last this country needs is another Bush. Let's be honest with all of the missing/raped/murdered kids in Florida Jeb really hasn't had a good year not to mention the Shiavo fiasco.

50 posted on 07/26/2005 8:08:58 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: JohnnyZ
How 'bout the Johnny Three Notes on Abortion Gays and Guns?

Giuliani couldn't care less about gay issues or "reproductive rights". Don't confuse New York politics with his personal feelings. I happened to know quite a lot about the man that most do not. He has a singular focus---law and order. It has defined his life. He hates two groups more than anyone else...organized crime and Arabs. Sounds good to me.

51 posted on 07/26/2005 8:09:59 AM PDT by montag813
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To: areafiftyone

Can you say "President Hillary!"? I knew you could...

I won't vote for a RINO. President Bush is about as "moderate" as I can stand - and he's pushin' it.


52 posted on 07/26/2005 8:11:36 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Mase

Not Thrilled About Allen - he's kinda dull from what I"ve seen. I'm not thrilled with anyone but most of the Republicans at this point are just doing their jobs right now and are not out there running. Once the candidates (whomever they may be) are out running, their personalities will start to stand out. But whomever is the candidate I will vote for that person. I will NOT stay home to let Hillary or any Democrat win the White House!


53 posted on 07/26/2005 8:12:11 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: OXENinFLA

Not this one either. I don't think Giuliani can win it, although he's not as bad as the RINOs McCain and Gingrich.


54 posted on 07/26/2005 8:15:23 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: montag813
"He has a singular focus---law and order.

You're kidding right? Why didn't "Mr Singular Focus" know about all of the corruption Kerik was into? It was right under his nose for crying out loud. If he intends to run he'll have to answer those questions.

55 posted on 07/26/2005 8:16:14 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: blaquebyrd
You're kidding right? Why didn't "Mr Singular Focus" know about all of the corruption Kerik was into? It was right under his nose for crying out loud

Kerik's dealings with Taser came post-Rudy. And was Giuliani supposed to have P.I.'s tracking Kerik to hotel room to see who he was sleeping with? what are you talking about?

56 posted on 07/26/2005 8:19:53 AM PDT by montag813
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To: areafiftyone
So apparently there is a major gap between Freepers and the people who Guiliani is reaching.

Yep...the FR consensus is a tiny minority. Giuliani or McCain, take your pick. Either one will thrash Hillary in a general election - so much so that I doubt she will even run if she thinks she will be facing one of them. On the other hand if, say, a Sam Brownback emerged as a probable nominee, Hillary would be able to paint herself as the moderate alternative, and she would be very likely to win.

I believe Giuliani would make a very able and capable President. The affair stuff won't hurt him a bit if Hillary (or almost any other Democrat, for that matter) is his opponent. He is not an activist on social conservative issues - neither is Bush...neither was Reagan - a perfect understanding of why we are at war, and, I suspect, a fiscally disciplined manager who could take some of his New York City quality-of-life improvements national. I see him as more conservative than Bush on border security and government spending.

57 posted on 07/26/2005 8:22:52 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Democracy...will be revengeful, bloody, and cruel." -- John Adams)
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To: areafiftyone
I will vote for that person. I will NOT stay home to let Hillary or any Democrat win the White House!

Agreed. It worries me to hear so many conservatives say that they would stay home. A RINO can be influenced by congress and it is essential that we maintain control there and elect more conservatives. I don't doubt that Hitlery will be the rat nominee. She will scare me to the polls regardless of who our nominee is.

As for Allen, for some reason the current available pool of conservatives are charisma challenged. Many Americans vote based on personality. I hope we can find someone with conservative credentials and personality. That's why I liked Owens. Too bad about him.

58 posted on 07/26/2005 8:24:12 AM PDT by Mase
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To: montag813
Giuliani couldn't care less about gay issues or "reproductive rights".

So you're saying he's a liar who's been dissembling his radical pro-abortion pro-gay views for decades?

59 posted on 07/26/2005 8:26:16 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: montag813
"And was Giuliani supposed to have P.I.'s tracking Kerik to hotel room to see who he was sleeping with?

So you don't think Rudy had any knowledge of Kerik's "character flaws"? Come on now he was his right hand man. If he could work that closely with a man for years not knowing he's dirty, then endorse him to be the nations Secretary of Homeland Defense, that alone should disqualify him from running.

60 posted on 07/26/2005 8:28:44 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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