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Is Islam for Peace?

Posted on 07/25/2005 6:15:39 AM PDT by British and Proud

The following letter was sent by a Baptist Minister to the head of the 'moderate' Muslim Council of Britain a few days ago in the wake of the terror campaign on London transport.

Dear Sir Iqbal Sacranie,

BBC2 NewsNight: ‘The teachings of Islam are very, very clear.’

I was very surprised to hear your public statement before the whole nation, which would therefore include Her Majesty’s Government and the Church, that the teachings of Islam condemn and forbid acts of violence such as the odious acts that were carried out last Thursday.

I would, as a community leader, find it extremely helpful to understand how, as a non-Muslim, I should understand the following verses from the Qur’an:


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Qur’an 2:191 “And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter.”

Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbours for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”

Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”

Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Qur’an 4:94 “Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah’s Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: ‘You are not a believer!’ Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty.”

Qur’an 47:33 “Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.”

Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”

Qur’an 9:12 “If they violate their oaths and break treaties, taunting you for your Religion, then fight these specimens of faithlessness.”

Qur’an 9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe him, strive hard and fight jihad with their wealth and lives (in Allah’s Cause).”

For brevity, I will not quote the Hadith which reveals the actual practice of Islam by Mohammed. I do, however, append a chronology early Islam, which details many of the known wars Islam was engaged in, almost all of which were offensive.

Consequently, I have to confess that, as a non-Muslim, it is not abundantly clear that Islam teaches peace. I do, however, begin to conceive how some young Muslim men, who are not youths (as you yourself described them), might accidentally assume that these verses mean what they say. I would welcome any clarification that the Qur’an provides which I, as a Christian, may have inadvertently missed. This will help me enormously in my relations with Muslims in our local community as well as the teaching I give to my church.

If, however, you are unable to provide the clarification, I will, reluctantly, be forced to conclude that either the Qur’an should not be considered the basis of Islamic thought, or that the statements you gave to the country are not entirely correct and will then discuss with my church what action we should take.

Yours sincerely,

1 posted on 07/25/2005 6:15:39 AM PDT by British and Proud
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To: British and Proud
And when they are shooting at our soldiers, beheading our fellow Americans and allies or bombing other innocents, they chant Allah Akbar.

Welcome to FR BTW!

2 posted on 07/25/2005 6:19:04 AM PDT by b4its2late (Suicidal Blond Twin Kills Sister By Mistake!)
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To: British and Proud

bump 4 later study


3 posted on 07/25/2005 6:20:19 AM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: British and Proud

Islam = is slum or is slime
is slime full of two faced liars.
trust is slime at your own risk.


4 posted on 07/25/2005 6:20:33 AM PDT by From One - Many
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To: British and Proud

What was the reply?

"Death to Britain!"?


5 posted on 07/25/2005 6:21:08 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: British and Proud

Bump..


6 posted on 07/25/2005 6:21:28 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Definition of Insanity- Political Correctness when applied in the War on Terror..)
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To: British and Proud; jan in Colorado; SheLion; knighthawk
islam explained
7 posted on 07/25/2005 6:21:29 AM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: British and Proud

bump...Good post. Welcome to FR!


8 posted on 07/25/2005 6:23:54 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: British and Proud
Islam is death.

It has always been about death.

So-called moderates want to believe otherwise, but it does not change the fact.

Islam is death.
9 posted on 07/25/2005 6:24:23 AM PDT by FreedomAvatar (Gravity is only a theory - Teach the controversy)
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To: British and Proud

Islamists are totally for peace: the Peace of the Dead.


10 posted on 07/25/2005 6:24:46 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: British and Proud

Islam is not a religion no more than communism is a religion. It is simply fascism disquised as a religion. When our politicians realize this then we'll win this war.

Thank you Jimmy Carter, you stupid naive sob... for giving us the Ayatohlah... etc...and disposing of the Shah of Iran...

I blame you and your weak presidency for what we are reaping now...

nick


11 posted on 07/25/2005 6:25:52 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: British and Proud


12 posted on 07/25/2005 6:26:55 AM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: British and Proud

Yikes!

This guy has guts writing a letter w/a name and address essentially dismissing how serious those "moderate Islamics" are!

Off w/his head!


13 posted on 07/25/2005 6:27:09 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: British and Proud

"Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.”


This defines the Liberals and what needs to be said to them directly!

"Peace, peace!" but there is no peace!


14 posted on 07/25/2005 6:28:25 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Travis McGee; backhoe

Ping


15 posted on 07/25/2005 6:29:59 AM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: British and Proud

These are excellent question that will not be answered in a straight-forward manner. Islam is THE threat to civilization that currently exists.

Equal rights before the law do not exist under Islamic law. One citizen, one vote does not exist under Islamic law. Freedom of worship does not exist under Islamic law. Minorities -- that is, non-Muslims -- enjoy rights and protections at the pleasure of the Muslim community that are ever-subject to the capriciousness of a rights-canceling fatwa. Indeed, Islamic law is not the basis of a religion, as the Judeo-Christian world understands religion, but is rather a controlling ideology that is nothing short of totalitarian.

The Flanstein is an excellent blog for finding out the truth about islam...

http://flanstein.blogspot.com


16 posted on 07/25/2005 6:32:17 AM PDT by Dr. Luv (QQ)
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To: b4its2late
THE AGENDA OF ISLAM - A WAR BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS

WHAT THE QURAN TEACHES!

OFFENSIVE JIHAD FOR WAR EXPLAINED

"Mainstream" Islamic site "Islam Q+A": KILL THE JEWS

17 posted on 07/25/2005 6:32:33 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: British and Proud

Welcome to FR.


18 posted on 07/25/2005 6:32:50 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: FreedomAvatar
This is a pic of the god of Islam...this is Allah/Satan/Baphomet. This is the god of the dead. He was a murderer from the beginning and the "father of lies." Notice the crescent moons...


19 posted on 07/25/2005 6:37:04 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: British and Proud


Welcome to Free Republic.

And please let us know what you get as an answer to you inquiry.


20 posted on 07/25/2005 6:37:18 AM PDT by kalee
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