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ARE we in a World War? You be the judge...
US State Dept; wikipedia; UCal; multiple others ^ | 7/24/05

Posted on 07/24/2005 10:05:56 AM PDT by Wolfstar

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To: FreeReign
My point is that we haven't seen terrorist attacks as independent crimes since 9/11/2001. My point is that we aren't fooling ourselves that any action on our part caused any of these attacks.

Thanks for your clarification. Sadly, one need only listen to any recent news conference that President Bush has had, or Prime Minister Blair, or Prime Minister Howard, and others, to know that huge numbers of people do blame recent attacks on our action in Iraq, or on the Israeli-Palestinian struggle, or on our failure to "understand" the "root causes" of jihadism. Or on any combination of these and other excuses.

The Western Left has made common cause with the jihadists, and are actively helping them through the use of public relations tools.

121 posted on 07/24/2005 12:18:20 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: ChadGore

I believe that was 1997 or 98, whichever but it was a year after the crash of TWA flight 800, which for all the claims of mechanical failure, i think a raghead brought it down with an RPG...


122 posted on 07/24/2005 12:19:28 PM PDT by Schwaeky ("Truth is not determined by a majority vote" Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: The Drowning Witch

Look at this list.


123 posted on 07/24/2005 12:19:29 PM PDT by Jackknife (No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation.-MacArthur)
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To: snugs
We are infidels to them end of story and we cannot negotiate with them there is no basic tenant of acceptance by them to our way of life.

Exactly. It is a part of their religion and their "bible" that commands them to kill or convert the infidels (which, by the way, is ANY non-muslim).

What the hell is so difficult to understand here?

124 posted on 07/24/2005 12:20:15 PM PDT by Recovering Hermit
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I agree 100% well said and AMEN. In fact this post precludes anything I could add.
125 posted on 07/24/2005 12:21:57 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: mercy; Wolfstar
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126 posted on 07/24/2005 12:23:07 PM PDT by Database
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To: mercy
I wish you had simply linked your list as it has really bogged down this thread which will probably preclude a lot of us poor poor dialup folks from looking at it.

Nonsense. You don't know what you are talking about. The whole post is less than 148 kb. That's smaller than the main post with the tables which is 152 kb.

The reason I don't link it and posted it in its entirety is so that people can get a feel for just how much Israel has suffered at the hand of the Palestinian terrorists. Taking a quick glance at a link is not the same as having to scroll down through it all.

Besides are you really complaining that a simple list of Israeli men, women, and children killed by terrorists is bogging your ISP down? Maybe you don't realize how petty that sounds. I'm sure there were some people who lived near Auschwitz that complained about all the smoke too.

127 posted on 07/24/2005 12:23:30 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Peach
The FBI has helped train them in some capacity once the group got organized.

The government needs to do more of this. I plan to agitate for a revival of the Civil Defense Corps.

128 posted on 07/24/2005 12:23:47 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Jackknife

You're welcome, Jackknife.


129 posted on 07/24/2005 12:25:06 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

guess i am just a little bit pissed after Blair left them out--i think it's time the west stops being so damn PC and cow towing to the farkin muslims and stop forget them (could be one of the best allies if we unleashed them).it's them us and the rest of the west against islam--wake up world


130 posted on 07/24/2005 12:26:15 PM PDT by rang1995 (They will love us when we win)
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To: rang1995

I agree about Israel and would also include Southern Thailand.


131 posted on 07/24/2005 12:26:31 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Names Ash Housewares
World war would be when all countries on the planet have either chosen up sides and become belligerents and are allies with one of the sides, --there could be more than two sides as in the fictional story "Nineteen Eighty-Four",-- or neutral.

Neutrality would be no guarantee of not being attacked and destroyed.

133 posted on 07/24/2005 12:28:09 PM PDT by RightWhale (Substance is essentially the relationship of accidents to itself)
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To: Wolfstar
Thanks for your clarification. Sadly, one need only listen to any recent news conference that President Bush has had, or Prime Minister Blair, or Prime Minister Howard, and others, to know that huge numbers of people do blame recent attacks on our action in Iraq, or on the Israeli-Palestinian struggle, or on our failure to "understand" the "root causes" of jihadism. Or on any combination of these and other excuses. The Western Left has made common cause with the jihadists, and are actively helping them through the use of public relations tools.

Thanks for your clarification. I haven't heard any Blair of Howard press conferences. If they're anything like our press conferences, our press and our left then it is sad, and dangerous.

134 posted on 07/24/2005 12:28:49 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: mercy
a lot of us poor poor dialup folks

Go to this page and under "Thread Pagination" select "20 messages per page" and any high bandwidth posts will be isolated and contained on a different page every 20 posts. That way when you are in a thread it will only load a maximum of 20 posts and you can browse much more quickly. OK?

135 posted on 07/24/2005 12:31:16 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Wolfstar

i think you do NOT know your in a world war untill some years into it--witness ww1+2(i.e china in 1933 -38 etc)


136 posted on 07/24/2005 12:42:53 PM PDT by rang1995 (They will love us when we win)
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To: Wolfstar

Amen to your post! Yes, we are in a world war, and it is time we all realized it.


137 posted on 07/24/2005 12:43:48 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: FreedomCalls; mercy
The reason I don't link it and posted it in its entirety is so that people can get a feel for just how much Israel has suffered at the hand of the Palestinian terrorists.

With all due respect, FreedomCalls, this thread was never intended to be strictly about the Iraeli-Palestinian conflict. I think most reasonable and reasoned people know quite well how much Israel has suffered.

What part of this next statement do you not understand?

For too long, Israel has stood alone on the front lines of a worldwide jihadist war. She should never stand alone again.

In my article, I chose to focus on the worldwide aspects of this war. I chose -- for a specific purpose. I researched a list of REPRESENTATIVE attacks around the world, including several in Israel and against Israelis elsewhere, to show the worldwide scope of war. For you and anyone else to try to force the focus solely on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, or to subtly imply worse, is insulting to me. I have been patient and understanding about it. But your statement which I quote below crosses a line.

Besides are you really complaining that a simple list of Israeli men, women, and children killed by terrorists is bogging your ISP down? Maybe you don't realize how petty that sounds. I'm sure there were some people who lived near Auschwitz that complained about all the smoke too.

More importantly, to insist on limiting the scope of one's viewpoint about this war to just the Israeli context is a monumental mistake at the very moment in history when, at long last, others are waking up to the worldwide threat of jihadism.

138 posted on 07/24/2005 12:46:22 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: rang1995
I think it's time the west stops being so damn PC.

I agree completely.

139 posted on 07/24/2005 12:47:50 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

Whatever I can do to help, please let me know. That's a most worthy cause, Wolfstar.


140 posted on 07/24/2005 12:56:38 PM PDT by Peach
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