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(CA) Assembly Bill 352 : Fingerprinting for Handguns
Canyon News ^ | Jul 24, 2005 | Michelle Lanz

Posted on 07/24/2005 5:22:23 AM PDT by holymoly

The anonymity of ammunition is being fought with the proposal of Assembly Bill 352, which, if passed, would require that every semiautomatic handgun sold after January 2009 be equipped with a new microstamping technology that would allow law enforcement officials to link the used bullet cases to the handguns from which they were fired.

This new technology would stamp a serial number on to every bullet fired from a particular gun. That number would be linked to the owner of the gun in already existing database of gun owners.

In a recent press release introducing the legislation, Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood) stated, “I believe that microstamping will put California in the forefront in crime solving technology. I can not imagine anyone who could be opposed to this cutting edge technology.”

However, there are those who do oppose the bill, including ammunition manufacturers who say outfitting their factories with coding equipment to mark each of the 8 billion rounds produced a year would drive up cost and force them out of business. Also, some argue that the new codes will do more harm than good if the ammunition and handguns are stolen.

“What will happen is a crime will be committed with a stolen gun and bullets and the police will trace it to an innocent person,” says handgun enthusiast and NRA member Pete Fosworth, “And what about all the guns already on the streets? I just don’t see how it would work.”

In general law enforcement officials support this measure, saying that the tiny etched numbers would help them track down criminals much more efficiently than in previous years.

“This new bill would not only allow police to find out who bought the bullets, but also which gun they were fired from,” says retired LAPD police officer Larry Calhoun, “It would narrow down suspects and help prevent police from blaming the wrong person. Overall it is a good idea.”

The bill, sponsored by the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, has already passed the Assembly and one Senate panel and is up for further review in August.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 352; ab352; ammunition; banglist; blackmarket; bulletblackmarket; ca; california; fanatasy; fantasies; handgun; microstamp; serial; stamp
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In a recent press release introducing the legislation, Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood) stated, “I believe that microstamping will put California in the forefront in crime solving technology. I can not imagine anyone who could be opposed to this cutting edge technology.”

That's because you're a slack-jawed, mouth-breathing idiot, who knows absolutely nothing about firearms (except for what you've been spoon-fed by the Brady Campaign).

1 posted on 07/24/2005 5:22:23 AM PDT by holymoly
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To: holymoly

yeah this would last about as long as it would take to get a file and ruin the name on the weapon.

It would be the first thing I would do if I had to buy a weapon in Cali....


2 posted on 07/24/2005 5:24:10 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud member of Planet ManRam)
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“What will happen is a crime will be committed with a stolen gun and bullets and the police will trace it to an innocent person,” says handgun enthusiast and NRA member Pete Fosworth, “And what about all the guns already on the streets? I just don’t see how it would work.”


The lone voice of reason. God help us.


3 posted on 07/24/2005 5:25:01 AM PDT by poobear (Imagine a world of liberal silence.)
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To: MikeinIraq
yeah this would last about as long as it would take to get a file and ruin the name on the weapon.

If starts to look like it'll pass, I may buy some stock in Dremel.

4 posted on 07/24/2005 5:30:06 AM PDT by holymoly (Yea, whatever.)
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To: holymoly

I'll feel so safe when Congress passes laws against bombing people. /sarcasm


5 posted on 07/24/2005 5:32:32 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: holymoly
****Bill 352, which, if passed, would require that every semiautomatic handgun sold after January 2009 be equipped with a new microstamping technology that would allow law enforcement officials to link the used bullet cases****

I guess revolvers will be making a BIG comeback in Ca.

(stoo-pid politician)

7 posted on 07/24/2005 5:40:58 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: MikeinIraq

Ruin the name on the weapon? What are you talking about?


8 posted on 07/24/2005 5:42:43 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Jerry K.

The idea is to NOT get caught :)

Besides you can't tell me that about a week after this bill passes that someone won't come up with a way to make it so that the weapon would appear to have NOT been bought in California....


9 posted on 07/24/2005 5:43:57 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud member of Planet ManRam)
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To: Misterioso

sorry I probably meant to say serial number, but I put name for some unknown reason....

I need to slow down a bit :)


10 posted on 07/24/2005 5:45:08 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud member of Planet ManRam)
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To: holymoly
That number would be linked to the owner of the gun in already existing database of gun owners.

I wasn't aware that guns were registered in CA. That's too bad.

It must be getting closer to that time when we finally say, "No More, No More"

11 posted on 07/24/2005 5:51:33 AM PDT by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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What needs to be done is for all weapons and ammunition manufacturers to boycott sales in the state of California.

I heartily applaud Ronnie Barrett for his decision to refuse to sell his firearms in, or service those owned by, any law enforcement agency in CA, given the recent legislation there.

Mark


12 posted on 07/24/2005 5:54:47 AM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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To: holymoly

The right to bear arms shall not be infringed. No fringes on the fabric. No tears. Not a single strand misplaced. Period.


13 posted on 07/24/2005 5:55:42 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (The High Priest of Baby Killers. People don't call Schumer 'Upchuck' for nothing.)
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To: poobear
Maryland tried something along similar lines over the past couple of years with its ballistic fingerprinting law, but it proved to be an expensive failure, so much so that the Maryland State Police actually urged lawmakers to repeal it. A bill to do just this was put into the pipeline, but I'm not sure if it ultimately went anywhere. See here for the story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27873-2005Jan21.html
14 posted on 07/24/2005 5:55:50 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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"The state police have indicated it's not working," said Smigiel, who filed a similar bill last year that died in committee. "We're wasting a couple million dollars which we could be putting to better use."

It doesn't work and it costs millions. Sounds like another great program for Cali to adopt. (sarc)
15 posted on 07/24/2005 6:02:50 AM PDT by poobear (Imagine a world of liberal silence.)
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Couldn't CA residents make purchases of ammo while "vacationing" in adjacent states ?.....or would that be a "no-no"?

...(just wondering)...


16 posted on 07/24/2005 6:15:42 AM PDT by musicman
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To: holymoly
This new bill would not only allow police to find out who bought the bullets, but also which gun they were fired from,” says retired LAPD police officer Larry Calhoun, “It would narrow down suspects and help prevent police from blaming the wrong person. Overall it is a good idea.

They can't or won't stop millions of aliens illegally coming across the border. How will they stop millions of guns from coming over the border? Do these idiots think that criminals are going to get gun permits, buy legal weapons, give their addresses, and then use these guns to commit crimes?

This is an effort to make the cost of gun ownership high, a tax to discourage gun ownership. It also is an effort of the state to apply more control over people. It's the commies against the individuals.

17 posted on 07/24/2005 6:16:14 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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Couldn't CA residents make purchases of ammo while "vacationing" in adjacent states ?.....or would that be a "no-no"?

That would become a felony under the provisions of the bill.

18 posted on 07/24/2005 6:20:28 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Life is like a cow pasture, it's hard to get through without stepping in some mess.)
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To: holymoly

Just another attempt to make firearms and ammo too expensive for the common man. This does nothing to reduce crime or solve crimes. After it is in effect, only an idiot would be caught by this and they wouldn't need bullets or casings with numbers on them to catch someone that stupid.

This is like Canada's registration; it will cost 100 times what they think and will solve zero crimes...


19 posted on 07/24/2005 6:22:04 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: holymoly

Whoa whoa whoa,,

This article went from talking about a technology that would serialize every case fired from any particularr semi-automatic pistol to argueing serializing bullets and cases.

Two completely different subjects.

The technology for the former already exists and `is in widespread use. It's commonly refferred to as "ballistics".

The really disturbing aspect of the article is the registration angle


20 posted on 07/24/2005 6:22:34 AM PDT by misanthrope (There's only one way Islam will ever become "The Religion of peace", it's up to us to help them out.)
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