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To: Hadean

The moral to this story is when the police tell you to stop then stop!!!!!!!! This guy was killed by his own stupidity. I'm sure that there will be much liberal hand wringing over this.


4 posted on 07/24/2005 3:52:20 AM PDT by jhroberts
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To: jhroberts
The moral to this story is when the police tell you to stop then stop!!!!!!!! This guy was killed by his own stupidity.

The 'shoot to kill' policy depends on whether the police suspect someone of being a suicide bomber, not on whether he's cooperating with them.

9 posted on 07/24/2005 4:08:24 AM PDT by Grut
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To: jhroberts

Yet another reason for foreigners to learn English.


30 posted on 07/24/2005 5:05:44 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: jhroberts; Hadean
The moral to this story is when the police tell you to stop then stop!!!!!!!! This guy was killed by his own stupidity.

What surprises me about this, and the many other similar comments on this and related threads, is how little attention people seem to be giving to the effects of a panic reaction. Everybody seems to be proposing various scenarios - that he was innocent as now stated, that he was slightly guilty (perhaps of some unrelated petty crime), that he was very guilty (of some terrorist involvement), that he was seeking 'suicide by police', etc. etc: and then seeking to rationalise his actions from that point on. Failing to discover such a rationale, he is simply then dismissed as 'stupid'. Is it not possible that this man, in a foreign country, perhaps already apprehensive after recent events in London, and suddenly confronted by a group of non-uniformed men shouting at him and waving guns, simply panicked? If panic takes hold, by definition you do not act rationally, and the flight reaction can simply take over irresistibly, and in this case fatally. The facts that he could understand English, or that in other circumstances he would perfectly well understand that you don't run when told to stop by an armed policeman, then become irrelevant.

How many of us could say with absolute certainty that we would not panic and flee in similar circumstances? I couldn't be that certain - assuming, that is, that my aging legs were capable of flight.

44 posted on 07/24/2005 5:39:04 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: jhroberts
"killed by undercover police "

you must have missed this part.

I agree that when ordered to stop by the police , one should stop.
But how about ..... your getting on the subway , no one else is around , and a couple of seedy types make a move toward you then they yell for you to stop.

One of them says he has a gun so you better stop ... perhaps one of them even yells that he is the police.
Do you stop? well of course you do , because your the type who would turn and shoot the guys who where yelling at you and following you ... the innocent victim didn't have that option.

If this had played out in the USA, an officer could have been shot.
Then off we go , a little further down the gun control road.

The terrorists win , when we allow them to change our society into a police state. That is their aim.
I prefer the risks of freedom, rather then the security of the cage.

when Innocent people are killed , the responsible parties should be held accountable. This time it's the police.
47 posted on 07/24/2005 5:45:01 AM PDT by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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