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Auschwitz oven builders scrutinised at exhibition
Reuters ^ | 7/22/05 | Alexandra Hudson

Posted on 07/23/2005 11:23:47 AM PDT by wagglebee

BERLIN (Reuters) - Hartmut Topf has spent a lifetime trying to comprehend why family firm Topf & Soehne agreed 64 years ago to build crematoria for Auschwitz and enable industrialized mass murder.

He knows there can be no satisfactory answer.

A new Berlin exhibition sheds light on Topf, one of countless largely forgotten small firms to provide the technical know-how for the Holocaust. It tries to trace why this eastern German furnace maker became entangled with the Nazis, despite sensing what the ovens were being used for.

Fresh archive evidence shows the brothers who ran Topf, cousins of Hartmut's father, were not fanatic Nazis and faced no personal risk for declining orders for furnaces from Hitler's elite SS guards.

Nor were they in it for the money. Crematoria and ventilation systems for the concentration camps comprised only two percent of their turnover, and the SS paid late.

Rather a picture emerges of a firm of meticulous technocrats, motivated by the "challenge" of perfecting and installing incinerators capable of burning thousands of corpses daily, and blinded by the detail to their moral crime.

"It is unthinkable," says 70-year-old Hartmut Topf.

"It makes me furious that these were my relatives... they were no anti-Semites, no evil Nazis. They were normal people, in a completely normal firm, which only makes it harder to understand," he adds.

A fifth of the 6 million Jews murdered during the Holocaust were killed at Auschwitz, along with homosexuals, Gypsies, Polish political prisoners and Soviet prisoners of war.

The Nazi death camps employed hundreds of contractors to provide equipment and expertise for the "Final Solution."

While the collaboration of German industrial giants such as IG Farben, which provided deadly Zyklon B for the gas chambers, is well documented, the role of smaller firms and the extent to which they escaped unpunished after World War II has faded from view.

LOADED NAME

"I was proud as a child because Topf was a successful, world-renowned firm," Hartmut Topf explains.

This pride evaporated when as an 11-year-old he watched footage of the camps in cinema newsreels, and saw the "Topf" name plaque, borne by all the firm's products, on the crematoria of Auschwitz and Buchenwald.

Later Topf determined to establish the details and atone for the past.

"I went to Auschwitz and greeted an old man there, telling him my name was Topf. 'Your name has a bad ring here,' he told me. 'I know. That is why I am here,' I answered."

Topf & Sons was founded by Hartmut's great-grandfather in 1878, in Erfurt, as a customised incinerator and malting equipment manufacturer. The firm was close to the Ettersberg hill, later the site of Buchenwald concentration camp.

With the expansion of cremation in Germany as a burial rite in the 1920s, the firm's ambitious chief engineer Kurt Pruefer pioneered furnaces which complied with strict regulations on preserving the dignity of the body.

Naked flame could not come in contact with the coffin, and cremation was to be smoke and odor free.

Aware of the firm's reputation, the SS approached Pruefer in 1939, with an order for a crematorium for Buchenwald after an epidemic killed hundreds of prisoners.

Pruefer designed crematoria resembling incinerators for animal carcasses, knowing the dead were not to be burned individually or in coffins, nor were ashes to be separated.

The orders came rolling in, as Pruefer strived to create more efficient furnaces. Firm documents in the exhibition prove he visited Auschwitz several times and saw his ovens close to "the bathhouses for special operations."

Rather than feel disgust, Pruefer merely deliberated the practical problems of extermination. Transcripts of his 1948 interrogations by Russian forces show he never felt remorse.

"Pruefer threatened to resign at one point over lack of salary, they (Ernst-Wolfang and Ludwig Topf) should have let him go... but they didn't. They continued to show this stupid loyalty to the regime," Topf says.

After the Nazis abandoned Auschwitz in 1945 Pruefer even suggested to the SS they could reassemble parts of the furnaces in Mauthausen concentration camp in Austria.

"It sends shivers down my spine," Topf adds.

AFTERMATH

Topf name plates on the ovens couldn't have made it easier for the Allies to trace the firm.

The Americans released Pruefer after a few weeks, but once the Soviets arrived in Erfurt he was sentenced to 25 years and died in 1952 in a Russian gulag.

Ludwig Topf killed himself in May 1945, claiming his innocence in a jumble of excuses left in a suicide note.

His brother Ernst-Wolfgang fled to western Germany and was put on trial by the Americans. He talked his way out of the charges, maintaining the ovens were "innocent," and founded a new incinerator business, operating until bankruptcy in 1963.

He even tried unsuccessfully to secure a patent for a "monster four-storey" furnace designed during the war, Hartmut Topf explains.

"There was no historical insight at the time. Only excuses and pleas that people could have done nothing else. It makes me sick."

Today, Topf & Sons former Erfurt premises stand empty and dilapidated. The firm was nationalised by the Communists and survived until 1996. Authorities plan to buy the site and set up a permanent exhibition and memorial.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atrocity; auschwitz; cary; genocide; hitler; holocaust; nazis; ovens; warprofiteers; worldwarii
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Fresh archive evidence shows the brothers who ran Topf, cousins of Hartmut's father, were not fanatic Nazis and faced no personal risk for declining orders for furnaces from Hitler's elite SS guards.

Nor were they in it for the money. Crematoria and ventilation systems for the concentration camps comprised only two percent of their turnover, and the SS paid late.

Rather a picture emerges of a firm of meticulous technocrats, motivated by the "challenge" of perfecting and installing incinerators capable of burning thousands of corpses daily, and blinded by the detail to their moral crime.

So they weren't doing it for the money or out of loyalty ot the Nazis, they just wanted to find a more efficient way commit genocide -- that is truly sickening.

1 posted on 07/23/2005 11:23:48 AM PDT by wagglebee
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To: Alouette; SJackson

Ping.


2 posted on 07/23/2005 11:25:47 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
So they weren't doing it for the money or out of loyalty ot the Nazis, they just wanted to find a more efficient way commit genocide -- that is truly sickening.


Yes, that is one of the really sickening things about the Nazi era. So many Germans found it so easy to rationalize their support for mass murder. Like the euthanasia movement. Most of those advocating the murder of the "useless mouths" considered themselves to be applying a rational, "scientific" solution to the issue of dealing with the handicapped.
3 posted on 07/23/2005 11:32:04 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
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To: wagglebee
Scrutinized hmmm? Perhaps they are looking for someone to create a final solution to the muslim problem.
4 posted on 07/23/2005 11:35:29 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: wagglebee
A fifth of the 6 million Jews murdered during the Holocaust were killed at Auschwitz, along with homosexuals, Gypsies, Polish political prisoners and Soviet prisoners of war.

It is shocking that the Socialist Liberals of the Left, would not embrace homosexuality.

As far as the Topf brothers go, they did just provide a tool to be used in the clean up of a mess, created by government workers (just doing their job), they aren't as bad as the government workers who actually did the killing, but they (the Topf brothers) still should of found different costumers. Looks like they got what they deserved.

5 posted on 07/23/2005 11:48:21 AM PDT by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: Nightshift

ping


6 posted on 07/23/2005 11:49:59 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< OurFlorida.true.ws Impeach Judge Greer)
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To: wagglebee
Hartmut Topf has spent a lifetime trying to comprehend why family firm Topf & Soehne agreed 64 years ago to build crematoria for Auschwitz and enable industrialized mass murder.

When the government starts endorsing it, the citizenry tends to go along.

7 posted on 07/23/2005 11:49:59 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Sounds about right to me.


8 posted on 07/23/2005 11:51:16 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< OurFlorida.true.ws Impeach Judge Greer)
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To: wagglebee

I've read that IBM made much of the sorting possible.


9 posted on 07/23/2005 11:53:38 AM PDT by Porterville (Don't make me go Bushi on your a$$)
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To: Mrs Mark

Mrs Mark if your post made any sense at all, which it does not, I would probably find it and you disgusting.


10 posted on 07/23/2005 11:56:01 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Mrs Mark
It is shocking that the Socialist Liberals of the Left, would not embrace homosexuality.

I believe that one of the main goals of the left is the destruction of our Judeo-Christian heritage. The left did not understand until a few decades later that the homosexual agenda could be used for this.

11 posted on 07/23/2005 11:58:51 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
If you can find a copy, read "The Cunning of History"
shocking insight into the efficiency of bureaucracy. Basicly what saved the world was the LACK of bureaucratic efficiency in the Hitlerian system.

The Cunning of History: The Holocaust and the American Future, New York: Harper Torchbooks. Harper & Row, Publishers, 1987 Rubenstein, Richard L. In this skillfully argued work Rubenstein seeks to set the mechanical nonhumanity of the perpetrators of the Shoah in a vast historical context, on the one hand of slavery (essentially making humans into consumer disposables) and on the other the rise of the inhuman city, where functionaries survey the lives of the city-dwellers from behind closed doors. Profoundly controversial but life changing if its prophetic message is taken seriously.

12 posted on 07/23/2005 12:01:09 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Artemis Webb
Mrs Mark if your post made any sense at all, which it does not, I would probably find it and you disgusting.

LOL! I Might find you disgusting also!

The guys who made the ovens committed suicide or died in a Russian prison camp. They got what they deserved.

The people who actually did the killing are worse than those who made the ovens. Not a difficult concept to comprehend.

The Nazis were socialist from the Left. That the Left has a problem with homosexuality is interesting, considering the Left of today.

13 posted on 07/23/2005 12:06:27 PM PDT by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: wagglebee
He knows there can be no satisfactory answer.

A few months back our family had a chance to trade some commercial property for a local building that housed a planned parenthood clinic. When we walked through the building, we saw the clinic and we said--"Sorry, we won't rent to murderers." If civil enineering firms refused to design abortion clinics, if contractors refused to build them, if civil servants of conscience asked to be excused from the plan check, we could end our own holocaust.

Certainly, there will be people of darkened conscience who will take the jobs, but they will do it knowing they are the objects of scorn.
14 posted on 07/23/2005 12:08:11 PM PDT by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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To: wagglebee
I believe that one of the main goals of the left is the destruction of our Judeo-Christian heritage. The left did not understand until a few decades later that the homosexual agenda could be used for this.

I think you are correct. I see politics being played with the homosexuals being placed higher and higher up the list of victims of the evil. Once their victim-hood is firmly established, next come the special rights. Special Rights weaken the regular rights of everyone else.

15 posted on 07/23/2005 12:24:34 PM PDT by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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As an FYI, in the sentence:

" ... Nor were they in it for the money. Crematoria and ventilation systems for the concentration camps comprised only two percent of their turnover, and the SS paid late."

the usage of the word "turnover" might seem odd. In Europe, the business term - turnover - means revenue.

16 posted on 07/23/2005 12:31:44 PM PDT by jamaksin
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To: wagglebee
Uhh...this is Reuters. Some parts of this story don't make sense.
Fresh archive evidence shows the brothers who ran Topf, cousins of Hartmut's father, were not fanatic Nazis and faced no personal risk for declining orders for furnaces from Hitler's elite SS guards
Did the SS leave notes saying, "If these guys refuse to build the ovens, don't hurt them or anything. And make it crystal clear it's just fine and dandy with us if they don't want to do the work." From what I've heard about the SS, they weren't the kind of guys to say, "No problemo", if you decided not to cooperate with them.
And then there's this:
His brother Ernst-Wolfgang fled to western Germany and was put on trial by the Americans. He talked his way out of the charges, maintaining the ovens were "innocent," and founded a new incinerator business, operating until bankruptcy in 1963.
So the guy who willingly collaberated with the Nazis just talked his way out of it? And the Americans were just a bunch of boobs who said. "okay, that sounds reasonable"?
17 posted on 07/23/2005 12:32:12 PM PDT by jimboster (Vitajex, whatcha doin' to me)
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To: wagglebee
they just wanted to find a more efficient way commit genocide

They were able to find an efficient way to dispose of the results of genocide, not to commit genocide.

18 posted on 07/23/2005 12:48:59 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows

Without the means to quickly dispose of the dead bodies, the Nazis could not have carried out the Holocaust, the corpses would have created a huge sanitation risk. If you research the progression of the Holocaust, the numbers killed were far less when bodies were being buried, the ovens allowed the Nazis to accelerate the genocide. So, I stand by my previous statement.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430129-electricity/


19 posted on 07/23/2005 1:00:23 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
So they weren't doing it for the money or out of loyalty ot the Nazis, they just wanted to find a more efficient way commit genocide -- that is truly sickening.

If they were really trying to make genocide quicker and easier and more efficient, they would probably have been loyal, indeed fanatical, Nazis.

It sounds more like a case of "tunnel vision." They had their "job" or "duty" or their "bit for the war effort" to fulfill and they were doing it exactitude and professionalism.

It is sickening. And it was wrong.

But it was very German -- all the emphasis on duty and fulfilling one's "calling" whatever one's personal inclinations. You can see a lot of that in Germany's history and culture.

It's not exclusively German, though. It has a lot to do with the "do what your told and don't ask questions" mentality that the World Wars encouraged.

I don't think we necessarily disgree. It was a horrible thing to do, but are you trying to say it would have been better or more understandable if the motive had been different?

20 posted on 07/23/2005 1:06:13 PM PDT by x
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