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Owner of "James Ossuary" Under Arrest
Life Site ^ | Friday July 22, 2005

Posted on 07/22/2005 2:22:30 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 07/22/2005 2:22:31 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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...the fake ossuary that attempted to promote the idea that Jesus Christ had brothers casting doubt on the virgin birth of Christ.

Why should that cast doubt on the Virgin Birth? Protestants have long believed in the Virgin Birth, but believe Christ had brothers and sisters that were conceived by more conventional means after His birth. I think he meant it cast coubt on Mary's perpetual virginity.

2 posted on 07/22/2005 2:26:30 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ("...on Earth, as it is in TEXAS")
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For "coubt", substitute "doubt".


3 posted on 07/22/2005 2:27:13 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ("...on Earth, as it is in TEXAS")
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"fake ossuary that attempted to promote the idea that Jesus Christ had brothers casting doubt on the virgin birth of Christ."

Sounds like this crook was more interesting stealing money more than making a religious statement.

That said, presuming that James was the younger (half)brother, there would be no doubt "cast" on the issue of the virgin birth.


4 posted on 07/22/2005 2:27:15 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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I think you are correct. Affects Roman Catholic interpretations but not Protestant.


5 posted on 07/22/2005 2:27:44 PM PDT by plain talk
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Protestants have long believed in the Virgin Birth, but believe Christ had brothers and sisters that were conceived by more conventional means after His birth.

Contemporary Protestants perhaps but not Calvin, Zwingli or Luther, et al. They all believed in and taught of the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

6 posted on 07/22/2005 2:35:56 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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If memory serves, Jesus also had 2 younger sisters- Miriam and Martha- in addition to his younger brother James, who, as I recall was the Bishop of the Jerusalem Church in the years following the Crucifixion.


7 posted on 07/22/2005 2:37:27 PM PDT by Armigerous ( Non permitte illegitimi te carborundum- "Don't let the bastards grind you down")
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To: plain talk
I think you are correct. Affects Roman Catholic interpretations but not Protestant.

AFAIK, Roman Catholic interpretations have never insisted that Mary was perpetually virgin. Never the less, the other offspring of Mary would be half-siblings at best in the eyes of the Catholic church.

8 posted on 07/22/2005 2:40:59 PM PDT by konaice
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Incorrect as regards to Catholics. Catholics do not believe Mary remained a virgin all her life. Correct that Catholics, unlike Protestants, don't believe Jesus had younger siblings. The author of the article doesn't really understand Christian dogma, regardless of denomination.


9 posted on 07/22/2005 2:41:55 PM PDT by spyone
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Of course Jesus had (younger) brothers -- it's in the Gospels. This has nothing to do with the virgin birth. It only erodes the Catholic myth that Mary was too "holy" to have had normal sexual relations and other children after Jesus' birth.



10 posted on 07/22/2005 2:42:10 PM PDT by Elpasser
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I'm a Lutheran and we do not believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary. I don't think Luther believed that either.


11 posted on 07/22/2005 2:43:26 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: Elpasser

See 9 above.


12 posted on 07/22/2005 2:44:05 PM PDT by spyone
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"Why should that cast doubt on the Virgin Birth? Protestants have long believed in the Virgin Birth, but believe Christ had brothers and sisters that were conceived by more conventional means after His birth. I think he meant it cast coubt on Mary's perpetual virginity."

That was my understanding too.


13 posted on 07/22/2005 2:45:42 PM PDT by passionfruit (Using the ethernet to try to catch the etherbunny.)
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This is far from an open and shut case. The declaration of the ossuary as a forgery was based more on conjecture than on hard facts. Read the background to this case in the back issues of the Biblical Archeological Review (http://www.bib-arch.org/bswb_BAR/indexBAR.html). There is still a lot to be said about this case and the ossuary may still, in the end, prove to be authentic. There are already a number of very prominent scholars of antiquity who believe the ossuary is authentic.


14 posted on 07/22/2005 2:45:51 PM PDT by Juan Medén
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So if Mary had sex with her husband, after the birth of Jesus, was that "unholy"?


15 posted on 07/22/2005 2:46:29 PM PDT by tessalu
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Galatians 1:18,19 "Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles saw I none, save James, the Lord's brother."

It's in there.

16 posted on 07/22/2005 2:47:21 PM PDT by burrian
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That's because the editor of the Biblical Arch. Review is also complicit. He turns out to be a total huckster.


17 posted on 07/22/2005 2:48:16 PM PDT by spyone
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Catholics do not believe Mary remained a virgin all her life.

Incorrect. The belief in the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary is a tenet of Catholicism and was also shared by Calvin, Luther and Zwingli.

The belief that the Blessed Virgin Mary was not a perpetual virgin is a relatively novel one amongst protestants.

18 posted on 07/22/2005 2:49:30 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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AFAIK, Roman Catholic interpretations have never insisted that Mary was perpetually virgin. Never the less, the other offspring of Mary would be half-siblings at best in the eyes of the Catholic church.

Both the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches hold the belief in the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Mother.

19 posted on 07/22/2005 2:53:15 PM PDT by conservonator (Lord, bless Your servant Benedict XVI)
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I'm a Lutheran and we do not believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary. I don't think Luther believed that either.

Luther wrote on the Virginity of Mary:

It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. ... Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer's The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)

20 posted on 07/22/2005 2:55:21 PM PDT by conservonator (Lord, bless Your servant Benedict XVI)
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