Yeah, well, you know, if
you see someone dressed like this
don't tell them secrets . . .
Posted on 07/22/2005 9:55:21 AM PDT by Coleus
Gelli probed in Calvi murder Ex-head of shady lodge thought to have ordered Mafia hit (ANSA) - Rome, July 19 - Former right-wing subversive Licio Gelli is under investigation in the murder of 'God's Banker' Roberto Calvi .
Gelli, 86, is suspected of commissioning the murder .
Also joining four suspects facing trial is former smuggler Silvano Vittor, police said on Tuesday .
Gelli's lawyer said his client was "amazed" at press leaks of a questioning session earlier this month .
The lawyer denied Gelli's alleged statement that police should "look to Poland" for those who ordered the banker's murder 23 years ago .
Four people face trial in October for the murder of Calvi, found hanging from Blackfriars' Bridge in London in June 1982 .
The four, harged with premeditated murder, are jailed Mafia boss Pippo Calo', Sardinian wheeler-dealer Flavio Carboni, his former girlfriend Manuela Kleinszig and Rome crime boss Ernesto Diotallevi .
Calvi, whose death was originally ruled a suicide, is now thought to have been murdered in revenge for not paying back laundered money to the Mafia .
Judicial sources said there were at least three motives for Calvi's killing, which was originally ruled a suicide .
These included Calvi's mismanagement of Mafia money; the possibility that he would reveal how it was laundered by his Banco Ambrosiano; and to gain leverage among Calvi's network in legal masonic lodges, Gelli's subversive Propaganda Due (P2) lodge, Vatican bank Istituto per le Opere di Religione (IOR), political and institutional figures, and public-sector agencies .
Several more people are still under investigation for the murder. In London, British police reopened the inquiry into the death after the Italian indictments were first sought two years ago .
Potentially incriminating documents were stolen from a Rome lawyer's office a year ago .
British forensic experts last year determined that Calvi could not have climbed out onto a scaffold under the bridge .
The British police now believe that Calvi, former head of Italy's biggest private bank, was killed by the Mafia at a nearby building site and his body hung under the bridge .
Back in Italy, prosecutors tracked some 1.3 billion dollars through the offshore units of Calvi's Banco Ambrosiano in the run-up to his death .
The money and its movements, judicial sources said, were "directly linked" to Calvi's death .
A bank deposit box in Calvi's name, found in the course of the investigation, also had a "significant" link to the murder, they said .
Prosecutors reconstructed "complex company operations" and huge movements of money through Banco Ambrosiano subsidiaries in Panama, the Bahamas, Peru, Nicaragua and other countries .
The investigation into the death of Calvi, who earned his nickname by working closely with IOR, was re-opened six years ago .
Calvi's body was exhumed and a new autopsy performed during the reopened investigation, in December 1998, but no conclusive evidence was found .
Calvi's family said they believed he had been murdered. They pointed to one of his final remarks: "People kill for things like this." Calvi was found hanging under the well-known London landmark with his pockets full of banknotes and bricks. The suicide verdict came a few months after his death .
Despite the British coroner's verdict, in 1997 Rome prosecutors placed Calo', jailed in 1985 on Mafia charges, and Carboni under investigation in connection with the banker's death .
Calvi was a leading light in Italian banking circles for many years. In 1975 he became chairman and managing director of the Banco Ambrosiano, Italy's biggest private bank .
According to theories aired over the years by informants, Calvi worked hand-in-hand with Mafia-linked banker Michele Sindona - killed in jail by a poisoned cup of coffee in 1986 - to set up a complicated web of banking and insurance interests .
Many paths were allegedly smoothed by his association with Gelli, currently serving 12 years for the Ambrosiano collapse .
He has been under house arrest at his Tuscan villa for the last six years .
kinda slanderous reference to Masons, eh?
The Masons in Italy are a criminal organization.
kinda slanderous reference to Masons, eh? >>
No. According to the article there seems to be a connection.
the only copnnection i saw in the article mentioned that he wanted to improve his status in his masonic lodge (how it unexplained). that does not imply that any masons were involved.
John hinckley wanted to improve his standing with Jodie Foster when he shot Reagan. that in no way implied her involvement. get it?
the title implies that "the masons" were involved in a murder. the article does not bear this up.
an apology is in order, i would think.
Yeah, well, you know, if
you see someone dressed like this
don't tell them secrets . . .
the Masons are a charitable fraternity and not a criminal organization in any country.
According to "The Vatican Connection" by Richard Hammer, the vatican had a lot more involvement in this than any freemason - why not highlight THAT connection?
Are you unable to read?
The article clearly states that Licio Gelli, the longtime head of the P2 Masonic Lodge and the most prominent Mason in Italy is up on charges for ordering a murder.
Along with him, another Lodge leader, Diotallevi, is up on charges as well.
The P2 Lodge is also being investigated for money-laundering.
The Masons owe the people of Italy an apology.
To this day, the P2 Lodge denies its well-documented responsibility.
methinks you're tarring with a rather broad brush. there are hundreds of masonic lodges in italy. if one lodge is doingsomething wrong, it does not mean that any of the others are, unless you beleive that if one repuiblican (packwood) harasses females, than they all do.
And how many of these lodges have come out and condemned Licio Gelli or distanced themselves from him?
None.
Right. And should we stop
saying "Muslim terrorist"
since many Muslims
aren't terrorists?
Maybe the whole world should take
a vow of silence
and we shouldn't talk
at all for fear of hurting
somebody's feelings . . .
The title of the article says "possible". (possible mafia & freemason connection)
These included Calvi's mismanagement of Mafia money; the possibility that he would reveal how it was laundered by his Banco Ambrosiano; and to gain leverage among Calvi's network in legal masonic lodges, Gelli's subversive Propaganda Due (P2) lodge, Vatican bank Istituto per le Opere di Religione (IOR), political and institutional figures, and public-sector agencies .
uh, last i heard the archibishop involved, was never discpiplined. methinks he died in office never having been charged.
I don't see how the P2 Lodge is the same thing a F&A Masons in the US. Just because someone belongs to an organization and do a bad deed doesn't mean the org is guilty. The F&A Masons in the US have no connection to some "Mason" lodge in Italy. Slandering Masons in the US seems to be a hobby for some.
you might want to read it again...among Calvi's network in legal masonic lodges, Gelli's subversive Propaganda Due (P2) lodge...
P2 was a Catholic thing, NOT sanctioned by any Legal Masonic Body!!!
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