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Licio Gelli probed in Calvi murder (possible mafia & freemason connection)
ANSA ^ | 07.19.05

Posted on 07/22/2005 9:55:21 AM PDT by Coleus

Gelli probed in Calvi murder Ex-head of shady lodge thought to have ordered Mafia hit (ANSA) - Rome, July 19 - Former right-wing subversive Licio Gelli is under investigation in the murder of 'God's Banker' Roberto Calvi .

Gelli, 86, is suspected of commissioning the murder .

Also joining four suspects facing trial is former smuggler Silvano Vittor, police said on Tuesday .

Gelli's lawyer said his client was "amazed" at press leaks of a questioning session earlier this month .

The lawyer denied Gelli's alleged statement that police should "look to Poland" for those who ordered the banker's murder 23 years ago .

Four people face trial in October for the murder of Calvi, found hanging from Blackfriars' Bridge in London in June 1982 .

The four, harged with premeditated murder, are jailed Mafia boss Pippo Calo', Sardinian wheeler-dealer Flavio Carboni, his former girlfriend Manuela Kleinszig and Rome crime boss Ernesto Diotallevi .

Calvi, whose death was originally ruled a suicide, is now thought to have been murdered in revenge for not paying back laundered money to the Mafia .

Judicial sources said there were at least three motives for Calvi's killing, which was originally ruled a suicide .

These included Calvi's mismanagement of Mafia money; the possibility that he would reveal how it was laundered by his Banco Ambrosiano; and to gain leverage among Calvi's network in legal masonic lodges, Gelli's subversive Propaganda Due (P2) lodge, Vatican bank Istituto per le Opere di Religione (IOR), political and institutional figures, and public-sector agencies .

Several more people are still under investigation for the murder. In London, British police reopened the inquiry into the death after the Italian indictments were first sought two years ago .

Potentially incriminating documents were stolen from a Rome lawyer's office a year ago .

British forensic experts last year determined that Calvi could not have climbed out onto a scaffold under the bridge .

The British police now believe that Calvi, former head of Italy's biggest private bank, was killed by the Mafia at a nearby building site and his body hung under the bridge .

Back in Italy, prosecutors tracked some 1.3 billion dollars through the offshore units of Calvi's Banco Ambrosiano in the run-up to his death .

The money and its movements, judicial sources said, were "directly linked" to Calvi's death .

A bank deposit box in Calvi's name, found in the course of the investigation, also had a "significant" link to the murder, they said .

Prosecutors reconstructed "complex company operations" and huge movements of money through Banco Ambrosiano subsidiaries in Panama, the Bahamas, Peru, Nicaragua and other countries .

The investigation into the death of Calvi, who earned his nickname by working closely with IOR, was re-opened six years ago .

Calvi's body was exhumed and a new autopsy performed during the reopened investigation, in December 1998, but no conclusive evidence was found .

Calvi's family said they believed he had been murdered. They pointed to one of his final remarks: "People kill for things like this." Calvi was found hanging under the well-known London landmark with his pockets full of banknotes and bricks. The suicide verdict came a few months after his death .

Despite the British coroner's verdict, in 1997 Rome prosecutors placed Calo', jailed in 1985 on Mafia charges, and Carboni under investigation in connection with the banker's death .

Calvi was a leading light in Italian banking circles for many years. In 1975 he became chairman and managing director of the Banco Ambrosiano, Italy's biggest private bank .

According to theories aired over the years by informants, Calvi worked hand-in-hand with Mafia-linked banker Michele Sindona - killed in jail by a poisoned cup of coffee in 1986 - to set up a complicated web of banking and insurance interests .

Many paths were allegedly smoothed by his association with Gelli, currently serving 12 years for the Ambrosiano collapse .

He has been under house arrest at his Tuscan villa for the last six years .


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: anticatholicmasons; bancoambrosiano; calvi; catholiclist; freemasonry; freemasons; gelli; godsbanker; italy; liciogelli; mafia; marcinkus; masons; michelesindona; murder; newage; organizedcrime; p2; p2lodge; propagandadue; robertocalvi; silvanovittor; sindona; tinfoil; tuscan; vatican; vaticanbank
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1 posted on 07/22/2005 9:56:09 AM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

kinda slanderous reference to Masons, eh?


2 posted on 07/22/2005 9:57:48 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: camle

The Masons in Italy are a criminal organization.


3 posted on 07/22/2005 10:00:40 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: camle

kinda slanderous reference to Masons, eh? >>

No. According to the article there seems to be a connection.


4 posted on 07/22/2005 10:00:54 AM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: camle
"...One of three possible motives.......and to gain leverage among Calvi's network in legal masonic lodges....."

I'm not seeing any slander in how the masons were referenced.
5 posted on 07/22/2005 10:02:49 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: Coleus

the only copnnection i saw in the article mentioned that he wanted to improve his status in his masonic lodge (how it unexplained). that does not imply that any masons were involved.

John hinckley wanted to improve his standing with Jodie Foster when he shot Reagan. that in no way implied her involvement. get it?


6 posted on 07/22/2005 10:04:58 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: contemplator

the title implies that "the masons" were involved in a murder. the article does not bear this up.

an apology is in order, i would think.


7 posted on 07/22/2005 10:06:03 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: Coleus
>Licio Gelli probed in Calvi murder (possible mafia & freemason connection)


Yeah, well, you know, if
you see someone dressed like this
don't tell them secrets . . .

8 posted on 07/22/2005 10:06:26 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: wideawake

the Masons are a charitable fraternity and not a criminal organization in any country.


9 posted on 07/22/2005 10:06:58 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: camle

According to "The Vatican Connection" by Richard Hammer, the vatican had a lot more involvement in this than any freemason - why not highlight THAT connection?


10 posted on 07/22/2005 10:11:40 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: camle
the title implies that "the masons" were involved in a murder. the article does not bear this up.

Are you unable to read?

The article clearly states that Licio Gelli, the longtime head of the P2 Masonic Lodge and the most prominent Mason in Italy is up on charges for ordering a murder.

Along with him, another Lodge leader, Diotallevi, is up on charges as well.

The P2 Lodge is also being investigated for money-laundering.

The Masons owe the people of Italy an apology.

11 posted on 07/22/2005 10:13:02 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: camle
The Vatican, unlike the Masons, formally apologized for the breach of trust, fired the individuals involved and paid restitution to the investors who were screwed in the deal - ahead of any legal charges.

To this day, the P2 Lodge denies its well-documented responsibility.

12 posted on 07/22/2005 10:15:18 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: camle
I will only get it when the American Freemasons publicly come out against the P2 Lodge, until then, one will have to assume they are connected.  Care to write the press release or a letter to the editor rebuking them with your name on it?
13 posted on 07/22/2005 10:15:24 AM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: wideawake

methinks you're tarring with a rather broad brush. there are hundreds of masonic lodges in italy. if one lodge is doingsomething wrong, it does not mean that any of the others are, unless you beleive that if one repuiblican (packwood) harasses females, than they all do.


14 posted on 07/22/2005 10:17:05 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: camle
methinks you're tarring with a rather broad brush. there are hundreds of masonic lodges in italy

And how many of these lodges have come out and condemned Licio Gelli or distanced themselves from him?

None.

15 posted on 07/22/2005 10:19:56 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: camle
>methinks you're tarring with a rather broad brush. there are hundreds of masonic lodges in italy

Right. And should we stop
saying "Muslim terrorist"
since many Muslims

aren't terrorists?
Maybe the whole world should take
a vow of silence

and we shouldn't talk
at all for fear of hurting
somebody's feelings . . .

16 posted on 07/22/2005 10:20:06 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: camle; contemplator
the title implies that "the masons" were involved in a murder. the article does not bear this up.  >>

The title of the article says "possible".  (possible mafia & freemason connection)

These included Calvi's mismanagement of Mafia money; the possibility that he would reveal how it was laundered by his Banco Ambrosiano; and to gain leverage among Calvi's network in legal masonic lodges, Gelli's subversive Propaganda Due (P2) lodge, Vatican bank Istituto per le Opere di Religione (IOR), political and institutional figures, and public-sector agencies .

17 posted on 07/22/2005 10:20:23 AM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: wideawake

uh, last i heard the archibishop involved, was never discpiplined. methinks he died in office never having been charged.


18 posted on 07/22/2005 10:21:34 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: wideawake

I don't see how the P2 Lodge is the same thing a F&A Masons in the US. Just because someone belongs to an organization and do a bad deed doesn't mean the org is guilty. The F&A Masons in the US have no connection to some "Mason" lodge in Italy. Slandering Masons in the US seems to be a hobby for some.


19 posted on 07/22/2005 10:21:42 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: wideawake
Image hosted by Photobucket.comyou might want to read it again...

among Calvi's network in legal masonic lodges, Gelli's subversive Propaganda Due (P2) lodge...

P2 was a Catholic thing, NOT sanctioned by any Legal Masonic Body!!!

20 posted on 07/22/2005 10:24:16 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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