Licio Gelli probed in Calvi murder (possible mafia & freemason connection)

ANSA ^ | 07.19.05

[camle]

kinda slanderous reference to Masons, eh?

[wideawake]

The Masons in Italy are a criminal organization.

[Coleus]

kinda slanderous reference to Masons, eh? >>

No. According to the article there seems to be a connection.

[contemplator]

"...One of three possible motives.......and to gain leverage among Calvi's network in legal masonic lodges....."

I'm not seeing any slander in how the masons were referenced.

[camle]

the only copnnection i saw in the article mentioned that he wanted to improve his status in his masonic lodge (how it unexplained). that does not imply that any masons were involved.

John hinckley wanted to improve his standing with Jodie Foster when he shot Reagan. that in no way implied her involvement. get it?

[camle]

the title implies that "the masons" were involved in a murder. the article does not bear this up.

an apology is in order, i would think.

[theFIRMbss]

>Licio Gelli probed in Calvi murder (possible mafia & freemason connection)

Yeah, well, you know, if
you see someone dressed like this
don't tell them secrets . . .

[camle]

the Masons are a charitable fraternity and not a criminal organization in any country.

[camle]

According to "The Vatican Connection" by Richard Hammer, the vatican had a lot more involvement in this than any freemason - why not highlight THAT connection?

[wideawake]

the title implies that "the masons" were involved in a murder. the article does not bear this up.

Are you unable to read?

The article clearly states that Licio Gelli, the longtime head of the P2 Masonic Lodge and the most prominent Mason in Italy is up on charges for ordering a murder.

Along with him, another Lodge leader, Diotallevi, is up on charges as well.

The P2 Lodge is also being investigated for money-laundering.

The Masons owe the people of Italy an apology.

[wideawake]

The Vatican, unlike the Masons, formally apologized for the breach of trust, fired the individuals involved and paid restitution to the investors who were screwed in the deal - ahead of any legal charges.

To this day, the P2 Lodge denies its well-documented responsibility.

[Coleus]

I will only get it when the American Freemasons publicly come out against the P2 Lodge, until then, one will have to assume they are connected.  Care to write the press release or a letter to the editor rebuking them with your name on it?

[camle]

methinks you're tarring with a rather broad brush. there are hundreds of masonic lodges in italy. if one lodge is doingsomething wrong, it does not mean that any of the others are, unless you beleive that if one repuiblican (packwood) harasses females, than they all do.

[wideawake]

methinks you're tarring with a rather broad brush. there are hundreds of masonic lodges in italy

And how many of these lodges have come out and condemned Licio Gelli or distanced themselves from him?

None.

[theFIRMbss]

>methinks you're tarring with a rather broad brush. there are hundreds of masonic lodges in italy

Right. And should we stop
saying "Muslim terrorist"
since many Muslims

aren't terrorists?
Maybe the whole world should take
a vow of silence

and we shouldn't talk
at all for fear of hurting
somebody's feelings . . .

[Coleus]

the title implies that "the masons" were involved in a murder. the article does not bear this up.  >>

The title of the article says "possible".  (possible mafia & freemason connection)

These included Calvi's mismanagement of Mafia money; the possibility that he would reveal how it was laundered by his Banco Ambrosiano; and to gain leverage among Calvi's network in legal masonic lodges, Gelli's subversive Propaganda Due (P2) lodge, Vatican bank Istituto per le Opere di Religione (IOR), political and institutional figures, and public-sector agencies .

[camle]

uh, last i heard the archibishop involved, was never discpiplined. methinks he died in office never having been charged.

[caver]

I don't see how the P2 Lodge is the same thing a F&A Masons in the US. Just because someone belongs to an organization and do a bad deed doesn't mean the org is guilty. The F&A Masons in the US have no connection to some "Mason" lodge in Italy. Slandering Masons in the US seems to be a hobby for some.

[Chode]

you might want to read it again...

among Calvi's network in legal masonic lodges, Gelli's subversive Propaganda Due (P2) lodge...

P2 was a Catholic thing, NOT sanctioned by any Legal Masonic Body!!!