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Advice needed: Being harassed by census worker
07/21/2005 | Me

Posted on 07/21/2005 10:59:16 AM PDT by redbaiter

Two months ago a field agent from the US Census Bureau left a business card under my door, with a note requesting an interview for a survey the Bureau does on unemployment and income. The note explained the purpose of the survey and outlined the sorts of questions that would be asked (mostly income and work-related stuff). I called him back at the number provided, told him that my income was none of his business and requested that he not contact me any more.

This was not effective, and he continued to try to contact me. So I called him back again and ordered him to cease and desist. This too was ineffective, and he continues to try and contact me even now, two months later. (In the summer I am rarely home before 9PM so he has never succeeded.)

I asked around, and it turns out he has a pattern of similar behavior.

What can I do to make this guy cease and desist?


TOPICS: US: Delaware; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: census; chillout; chillpill; headcount; relaxfolks; takeiteasy
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To: steve-b
The government should conduct the Constitutional census (the head count) and get out of the rest of the business.

Quite right. From 2000:

No making sense of the census

The Constitution mandates a census be taken every ten years. Counting the number of people is necessary to apportion congressional representation. So all that’s really required is an accurate count of citizens be made.

Of course, that’s only if you believe in the Constitution. Few of the sophisticates in Washington do. That’s why all sorts of irrelevant questions are included in the census.

This year’s basic form demands the name, date of birth, sex, and relationship of everybody living at a residence. Keeping up with the times, “unmarried partner” is an available selection. Big Brother wants to know if you own, rent, or have a mortgage.

You have to indicate whether you’re “Spanish/Hispanic/Latino” and, if so, Mexican, Mexican American, Chicano; Puerto Rican; Cuban; or other, which you must identify.

You then have to declare your race. Options include White; Black, African American or Negro; Asian Indian; Chinese; Filipino; Japanese; Korean; Vietnamese; Native Hawaiian; Guamanian or Chamorro; Samoan; American Indian or Alaska Native; other Asian; or other Pacific Islander. If you select any of the last three, provide your tribe or race, as appropriate.

That is, as I mentioned, the short form. If 2000 isn’t your year, you’ll be one of the every six households getting the census’ long form. You’re in for a real treat. There are 46 more questions to answer.

These include marital, citizenship and veteran status, where everyone in the household lived five years ago, ancestry, and if English is spoken at home and how well everyone speaks it.

The government wants to know who has disabilities, who has a job and where they work, and who has difficulty “learning, remembering or concentrating.” How long does it take you to get to your job and what time do you leave? How many vehicles do you own? Do you carpool? If so, with how many other people?

The census folks are most interested in money. You’ll have to break down how much you get in earnings, interest, pensions, welfare, child support, alimony or anything else. How much do you pay for your mortgage or rent, electricity, insurance, property taxes and gas or oil or other fuel? If you live in a condo, what’s the monthly maintenance fee?

How much is your house worth? How many rooms does it have? Do you have a flush toilet, a refrigerator, and a telephone?

The Census Bureau estimates it’ll take about 38 minutes to complete the form. According to the bureaucrats, “It is quick and easy, and your answers are protected by law.” Now that’s reassuring. The law, too, protects FBI files and yet 900 of them ended up in the White House and, gosh darn, no one knows how.

The government’s turned out a promotional piece, “Five BIG Reasons Why You Should Fill Out Your Census Form.” None of the five BIG reasons is apportioning the House of Representatives. One, however, is: “Make Government Work for You. It’s a good way to tell our leaders who we are and what we need.”

Ah, yes, what we need. Washington will dole out an estimated $182 billion a year based on census data. So the busy bodies use that as a carrot. State and local governments encourage citizens to respond to intrusive, unnecessary questions to get their “fair share” of the pork.

Seven years ago a House appropriations subcommittee took the Census Bureau to task for doing a lousy job in 1990. The biggest complaint was there were too many questions. A report declared: “The Committee stresses that the basic purpose for a decennial census is an enumeration of the population, in accordance with the Constitution.”

Within weeks after that report was issued, the Census Bureau showed how effective it could be. It produced a listing of cities in which single men outnumber single women. Explained an agency statistician, “It’s just a basic guide for people because we get so many calls asking about this. People call because they are unhappy with where they live. They think there aren’t enough men or women – or they are unhappy with the ones who are there.”

Yet another BIG reason (in addition to the fine and harassment you’ll get if you don’t) to fill out your census form.

Census Bureau Director Kenneth Prewitt claims, “Census 2000 can be a civic event that reverses the troubling decline in the level of civic engagement across our country.” What about the troubling decline in the government’s willingness to stay out of our business?

161 posted on 07/21/2005 1:53:57 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: redbaiter

"I'm the Census taker......Are you married or happy? NYUK NYUK NYUK......wooo-wooop-woooop-woooop"


162 posted on 07/21/2005 1:56:37 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Ignatius J Reilly
The purpose of gathering such info is for legitimate use.

I disagree Iggy. This information is used to social engineer society. It serves absolutely no purpose for people that have conservative principles.

163 posted on 07/21/2005 1:57:39 PM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: Dan from Michigan
The problem is that they are recordings. I don't have caller ID either.

Still, get on the national Do Not Call List. It only takes about a minute to enter your phone number(s) and email id. They will then sent you a confirmation email with a click to confirm link and it's all done for 5 years.

Their are a few groups exempt, politicians for example, but overall it works great, we get maybe a call a month.

Telephone marketers are required to update their list every 30 days. It matters not if it's a recording or a live person, after 30 days they can be fined for every call.

164 posted on 07/21/2005 2:03:52 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Rodney King
I don't feel the slightest bit embarrassed by beleiving in smaller government.

There is a big difference between believing in smaller government and believing in government as it supposedly existed in the 18th century. The later is a pipe dream as is eliminating many aspects of government that have been in existence for seventy or more years.

165 posted on 07/21/2005 2:05:03 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Rodney King
Yes, in fact I would be willing to wager that my economics credentials far surpass 99.9% of the population. However, as far as I know, the Fed doesn't plan monetary policy around how many toilets are in your house

With all your economic credentials, did you ever hear of the Monthly Household Employment Study conducted by the Census for the Labor Department? That is what this whole thread is about, not how many toilets you have in your house. What Cracker Jack box did you get your econ degree from?

166 posted on 07/21/2005 2:08:44 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: savedbygrace
You should repeatedly ask him if he would like some fava beans and a nice Chianti.
167 posted on 07/21/2005 2:10:58 PM PDT by Moral Hazard ("I believe the children are the future" - Whitney Houston; "Fight the future" - X-files)
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To: savedbygrace
And while you're mentioning the fava beans and Chianti, you should also discuss your fondness for liver.
168 posted on 07/21/2005 2:12:02 PM PDT by Moral Hazard ("I believe the children are the future" - Whitney Houston; "Fight the future" - X-files)
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To: RJL

I thought I was on it. Registered again.


169 posted on 07/21/2005 2:18:06 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Member - NRA, SAF, MGO, SAFR)
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To: redbaiter

170 posted on 07/21/2005 2:19:40 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: TheyConvictedOglethorpe

The Department of Labor (DOL) does manage the CPI, but the data for weighting comes from the Consumer Expenditures Survey, which is managed by the Department of Labor but is collected by Census.

Basically, if citizens need to be asked questions, Census does the pounding of the pavement. DOL doesn't have the manpower or expertise for that.


171 posted on 07/21/2005 2:22:07 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: TheyConvictedOglethorpe

The Department of Labor (DOL) does manage the CPI, but the data for weighting comes from the Consumer Expenditures Survey, which is managed by the Department of Labor but is collected by Census.

Basically, if citizens need to be asked questions, Census does the pounding of the pavement. DOL doesn't have the manpower or expertise for that.


172 posted on 07/21/2005 2:23:31 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: Diplomat

I agree the statute sounds ridiculous on its face. I wish you luck.


173 posted on 07/21/2005 2:26:35 PM PDT by Steelerfan
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To: TheyConvictedOglethorpe
The Current Population Survey (CPS) is a monthly survey of households conducted by the Bureau of Census for the Bureau of Labor Statistics. It provides a comprehensive body of data on the labor force, employment, unemployment, and persons not in the labor force.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/home.htm

174 posted on 07/21/2005 2:29:22 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Our man in washington; Dave S

Learn something new every day. Thanks for the info.


175 posted on 07/21/2005 2:31:27 PM PDT by TheyConvictedOglethorpe
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To: Dave S
1. Yes, I have heard of it.

2. I think that monetary policy should be counducted by pegging the dollar to a basket of goods.

3. I think that the fiscal and monetary authorities receive too much data, causing them to think that they are capable of reacting to it, when in fact they are not.

4. Since this is the second time that you have been unable to speak to me without including an unneccessary insult, our conversations are through. Life is too short to waste it conversing with you.

176 posted on 07/21/2005 2:34:19 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: redbaiter
The only questions I answered on my long form were the number of people, number of bedrooms and number of bathrooms.

I told them there are 17 bedrooms and 1 bathroom.

All other questions were stamped in bright red (had the stamp made for this purpose): NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS!

Never heard from them again.

177 posted on 07/21/2005 2:39:22 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Rodney King
2. I think that monetary policy should be counducted by pegging the dollar to a basket of goods.

But its not.

3. I think that the fiscal and monetary authorities receive too much data, causing them to think that they are capable of reacting to it, when in fact they are not.

So its better for them to make decisions based on little or no information?

4. Since this is the second time that you have been unable to speak to me without including an unneccessary insult, our conversations are through. Life is too short to waste it conversing with you.

Your loss. Not mine.

178 posted on 07/21/2005 2:40:40 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Bacon Man; Hap
Census-Taker: Mr. Leonard? I'm with the U.S. Census Bureau. We sent you a Census form, but you failed to return it to us.

Mr. Leonard: My mail is piled up like crazy.

Census-Taker: Yeah. Well, I just need to fill out this Census form with you. Uh.. how many people live in this residence?

Mr. Leonard:Oh, boy.. good question. I'm bad with numbers.. Maybe 80.

Census-Taker: 80 people live in this apartment?

Mr. Leonard: Seems high, doesn't it? Not 80. How about 4? I don't know.. I'm so bad at guestimating..

Census-Taker: Well, just take your time, and count.

Mr. Leonard: Okay.. there's me.. my wife.. our plants.. we have some candy bars..

Census-Taker: Well, you know, we don't count candy bars or plants..

Mr. Leonard: Well, then, there's just the two of us. Boy, I really overshot with the 80!

Census-Taker: Listen, don't worry about it. I'm gonna put you down as the Primary Resident, okay? Now, are you currently employed?

Mr. Leonard: Yeah.. part of the time.

Census-Taker: Well, you work part-time. How many days of the week?

Mr. Leonard: Every day.. but just part of the day. From 9 to 5.

Census-Taker: So, you work a full day?

Mr. Leonard: I wouldn't say that. There are huge chunks of time.. at night.. where I'm just asleep. For hours. It's ridiculous.

Census-Taker: No, it's not that ridiculous. Mr. Leonard, do you own or rent this apartment?

Mr. Leonard: Sure. You have to ask one of the other 79 people.

Census-Taker: You mean your wife?

Mr. Leonard: Yeah.

Census-Taker: Well, can I talk to her, then?

Mr. Leonard: She won't answer you. She's a bobcat.

Census-Taker: You got a bobcat in there?

Mr. Leonard: Well, I have a permit. [ reaches into apartment and pulls out a sheet of paper ] Here you go.

Census-Taker: [ examines paper ] This is a permit to run a nail salon.

Mr. Leonard: Wrong one! Wrong one! [ pulls another sheet of paper out of his apartment ]

Census-Taker: [ examines paper ] This is a permit to do street performances.

Mr. Leonard: Yeah. My wife's a big part of the act.

Census-Taker: [ shaking head ] You know what? Fine. [ changing subject ] Mr. Leonard, are you a citizen of the United States?

Mr. Leonard: I have dual-citizenship with the United States and Florida.

Census-Taker: Florida is a part of the United States.

Mr. Leonard: Don't push your politics on me, pal. All's I know is when I turned 50, I was issued a Florida passport. [ hands him the "passport" ] Here you go.

Census-Taker: [ examining "passport" ] Alright.. this is a novelty birthday card. And it says, "You're over the hill. Here's a passport to Florida." This is not a real passport.

Mr. Leonard: I don't know.. you know? Whenever I go to Florida, I show it at the border, and they always let me in!

Census-Taker: Listen, Mr. Leonard. A real passport wouldn't have a picture of a sexy nurse on it. This is a joke card.

Mr. Leonard: Well.. it's a hell of a forgery!

Census-Taker: [ exasperated ] Okay, let's just proceed as if this were going really well. Now, how long have you lived at this address?

Mr. Leonard: Oh, man! There you go with the numbers again!

Census-Taker: Just take your time.

Mr. Leonard: Well, what do most people say?

Census-Taker: That's not important!

Mr. Leonard: I feel an enormous amount of pressure to get this right. I want to win that car!

Census-Taker: [ shaking his head ] There's no car, Mr. Leonard! How long have you lived here?

Mr. Leonard: Alright, when I moved in, it was the Spring, and Clinton was President.. I'd just gotten out of jail.. I'd say an hour.

Census-Taker: Alright, let me go over this again, then. You are a convicted criminal, living alone in an apartment with a bobcat. And you work 56 hours a week as a street performer.

Mr. Leonard: When you say it like that, my life sounds pretty damn good!

Census-Taker: You know what? I've talked to a lot of people all over this country.. and your life is pretty damn good. You wanna get a beer?

Mr. Leonard: You know, I'd love to, but.. [ points into apartment ] ..you know.. the ol' ball and chain..

Census-Taker: Alright. Take care.

Mr. Leonard: Have a good one. [ returns into the apartment to find his bobcat/wife growling at him ] Again?! We just did it!
179 posted on 07/21/2005 2:40:44 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Bon mots
Lie, lie, lie. I always tell lies to people who pester me like that.

Google 18 USC 1001. That's not a good idea in this case.

180 posted on 07/21/2005 4:29:28 PM PDT by weaponeer
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