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The Real Story of JFK and the Cuban Missile Crisis - (Excellent! New revelations!)
NEWSMAX.COM ^ | JULY 21, 2005 | Humberto Fontova

Posted on 07/20/2005 6:41:14 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: Vision Thing
"None of this would've happened if Nixon had the balls to challenge Kennedy's votes in Illinois."

But what's more interesting is why Kennedy got the nod from Chicago in the first place. Because of his good looks, I suppose.

81 posted on 07/20/2005 10:50:43 PM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: Eastbound
Because of Richard Daley, the fact that he was screwing Sam Giancanna's mistress, and daddy Joe's "walk around money".
82 posted on 07/20/2005 10:58:53 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

So is there any truth in the supposed deal between Jack and Sam to keep Bobby on a short leash?


83 posted on 07/20/2005 11:09:11 PM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: CHARLITE

Viva El Cuba Libre!


84 posted on 07/20/2005 11:10:07 PM PDT by Clemenza (JJesus CChrist MMade SSeattle UUnder PProtest)
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To: Eastbound

Actually, there is. And there was a deal between Sam and daddy
Joe, BEFORE the election, to that same tune.


85 posted on 07/20/2005 11:14:02 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

If it's the same deal Sam and Chuck wrote about, I'm thinking it failed big time. Sounds like an interesting topic for another thread.


86 posted on 07/20/2005 11:32:45 PM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: Eastbound

Yes, it would be an interesting thread topic for chat. :-)


87 posted on 07/20/2005 11:34:41 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: CHARLITE
Kennedy's secret deal with Khrushchev forbade any liberation of Cuba, not just by the U.S. but also by any other group or nation in the Western Hemisphere.
88 posted on 07/20/2005 11:39:55 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: CHARLITE

I just finished reading the book:

Rising Tide
The untold story of the Russian Submarines that fought the cold war
Gary Weir & Walter Boyne
2003

http://www.risingtidebook.com


Rising Tide tells the Soviet side of these secret operations. Drawing on newly available
archives as well as interviews with a dozen former Soviet Commanders


It’s a little one-sided at times. But the US Navy not about to open there files to conform
some of the clams. But it seemed very convenient that they could stumble across a US missile boat on patrol to trail it.

Also in Chapter Four: The Cuban Missile Crisis.

Gives a good account of the Subs that were there.


89 posted on 07/20/2005 11:50:12 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: Vision Thing

LOL That’s a good one!

Also add to that. His use of the so called “ Missile Gap”
Ike gave JFK a secret briefing to show him it was a myth. And extracted a promise not to use the issue.

What’s the first thing JFK did on the TV debate with Nixon. Brings up the "Missile gap" the Republicans let happen. Nixon could not respond with out breaching security on the U-2 flights, Corona photos. (1st spy satellites) & other sources.

Ask any space geek. And they will tell you. Von Braun was ready to launch a satellite in 1956 And the rocket that was used. was put into storage by Von Braun over a year before.

As a matter of fact. the Pentagon sent a General to inspect his rockets before launch. To insure Von Braun could not go “ Vell how did that happen”

Much has been said about not wanting the Germans to be first. And I do think that was part of it. But I think a much bigger part was Ike let the USSR be first. And let them set the precedent of flying a man-made satellite over other countries airspace.


90 posted on 07/21/2005 12:39:11 AM PDT by quietolong
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To: CHARLITE

I propose a new "invasion" of Cuba. Move the Hollywood 'elite'ist down there. Then fire a massive torpedo and sink the whole mess. (Yes, I know it is impossible.. Hollywood elites will not move to a socialist country!)


91 posted on 07/21/2005 12:53:21 AM PDT by truemiester (one person one vote... and the left have a problem with this???)
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To: Vision Thing
“I said in my loudest conversational voice... None of this would've happened if Nixon had the balls to challenge Kennedy's votes in Illinois. If he did, Nixon would've won, and Kennedy wouldn't have had any reason to be here on the day of his assasination.

You counted coup with that one.

And who's to say that Vietnam may not have cost the lives of 50,000 brave American's?!

92 posted on 07/21/2005 3:22:28 AM PDT by johnny7 (“'I bet 'ya think I'm 'kickin you Bob...!”” -Sheriff 'Little Bill' Dagget)
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To: CHARLITE
"...think they "owe it to Teddy" to "keep the Kennedy flame burning"

Institutionalized incompetence, corruption and mendacity.
93 posted on 07/21/2005 4:23:09 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: nopardons; CHARLITE
As a side note, the treatment of the Cuban freedom fighters by Kennedy must have had a devastating effect on the CIA's ability to put local feet in any intel op around the world since. Bad news travels fast and far. We'll probably never know if that was and is a factor in the CIA's failure to crack Al Queda operations.
94 posted on 07/21/2005 5:25:41 AM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: bitt; Eastbound; CHARLITE
bitt: the funny bone sorta ends where Ted begins. Kerry is funny. But Teddy, althoug ludicrous, is also much more dangerous. Ted spends liberally of his ill-gotten gains to maintain one of the largest senatorial stafs in history. He has every think from pimps to hit men on his staff, and a whole lot of far-left-wing policy wonks in between. They turn this vicious drunk into a 1-man legislative crime wave.

Kerry, who is actually quite a doofus, thankfully does nothing. And he is very cheap about staff. May it please Our Lord that Ted would better follow his example.

remember the bumper sticker,

KERRY: Just Like Ted, without the dead girl in the car.

95 posted on 07/21/2005 6:02:15 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Kenny Bunk
"Ted would better follow his example."

Fiscally, of course. Heh.

96 posted on 07/21/2005 6:47:51 AM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: Kenny Bunk

'remember the bumper sticker,


KERRY: Just Like Ted, without the dead girl in the car.'

I LIKE IT!!!

gotta get someone to actually do that up.....can we turn it around for the 2006 campaign, and say

"TEDDY and Kerry; drive 'em to drink or drive them into the drink".


97 posted on 07/21/2005 3:32:32 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: Vision Thing

How would Illinois have delivered Nixon the presidency?

Take away those votes from Kennedy and give them to Nixon, and the vote is still 276-246 in favor of Kennedy, with 15 more Southern votes floating out there which at the time went to Harry Byrd.

Even if those Byrd votes went to Nixon, it still wouldn't be enough.


98 posted on 07/21/2005 3:41:02 PM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: SpringheelJack; Vision Thing

You forgot Texas, also delivered by LBJ for Jack.


99 posted on 07/21/2005 4:11:18 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: SpringheelJack

LOL!

Thanks for the correction. I didn't even bother to check the facts on that one. I just blurted out something I read one day on the Free Republic. Just goes to show you can't believe everything you read on the Internet.

Oh well. It was still fun to insult Jack Effin Krap's followers, who even until this late day cannot seem to just moveon.org.


100 posted on 07/21/2005 11:00:29 PM PDT by Vision Thing (As Turner took in the breadth of Murdoch's domain, he wept, for it would never be his to conquer.)
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