ALLAH OR JESUS?

Amazing Facts ^ | Rick Mathes

[roylene]

Not only an old old story ... yawn!

[TBP]

I disagree with a lot of what this guy says, but his response directed specifically at Mathes is on target:

http://www.travisswicegood.com/index.php/2005/01/16/my_response_to_rick_mathes

[lionheart 247365]

JESUS ping !!!

[TKDietz]

"So what we should do is release them. Is that what you are saying? :-D"

Absolutely not. In reality that is what is happening though because of prison overcrowding. Legislators are constantly passing new laws to let people out earlier and earlier because we simply cannot afford to keep building new prisons. Our system is in dire need of an overhaul. The explosion in prison population growth is bankrupting states like mine. Our jails are overflowing making it such that at least in my county judges handling misdemeanors can't even put people in jail who should go to jail because the jail is full, largely with people who have been sentenced to prison but not transported yet to Dept. of Correction facilities because there is no room for them. We're in a crisis situation here.

Our prison resources are limited resources. We need to be smarter about how we use them. One thing I think we need to do is move away from letting emotion dictate our criminal justice policies and take a more scientific approach. Legislators are always passing new laws criminalizing more and more conduct. They are always increasing penalties for crimes and adding new sentence enhancements. They do this because it's easy for them to pass these things and it scores them brownie points with voters who are upset over this and that demanding that their elected representatives do something. The new laws are not rooted in science, only emotion. No though really goes into whether the laws will work or not or whether the sanctions imposed on offenders will make any difference. People just seem to think that the longer the sentences the better. All these criminals will be to afraid to offend.

We should be looking at what types of criminals are actually the greatest threat to society, which are most likely to re-offend, what other approaches we might take with people who violate laws but are not a great threat to innocent people, and so on while we formulate better criminal justice policies. We should be conducting studies, consulting social scientists, psychologists, criminal justice experts, and so on, and our legislators, prosecutors and judges should be looking more at the science in an attempt to make better use of our limited resources.

This is way off topic so as much as I'd like to I'm not going to go deeper into it. I work in the criminal justice system and deal with it's shortcomings on a daily basis. I'm frustrated with what I see.

[2banana]

Muslim believe in something that is the polar opposite of Christianity. Example:

Muslim works to get to heaven vs Christian grace to get to heaven

Muslim conversion by man vs Christian conversion by spirit

Muslim "moon god" vs Christian "son god"

Muslim "Allah's will" vs Christian "free choice"

Mohammad on the other hand - himself was unpure and has created a religion based not on love, but cruelty to nonbelievers. And, that god will attract all that worship at the altar of depravity, cruelty, torture, and death to others.

[BayouCoyote]

BTTT!

[bethelgrad]

The minute I read snope's debunk of Russian miners digging to hell, I knew there had to be a left-wing liberal agenda underneith their research.

[Iscool]

It may or may not be old news but it is relevant...

A couple hours ago, I was watching George the President on tv...As usual he was talking about his WOT...

When he made the statement that a few radical muzlims are terrorizing people and these few muzlims have distorted the meaning of the koran and are doing serious harm to the GREAT religion of Izlam, I had to walk away from the tv...

Pathetic...Pitiful...

[expat_panama]

Post 20   Thanks for the background. 

Personally, I've seen this "shocking new revelation" come out on the Freerepublic more times than the NYT has 'discovered' Bush's National Guard record.  Just the same, but it's good when someone like yourself goes to the trouble to respond so that the new guys can be let in on the joke.

[tessalu]

I think that it does not matter if this is old news, for it needs to be told to those who have missed out. I have studied Islam, and I do believe that most who are not Muslim can understand this for is seems so inhumane, but this is for real. Muslims have actually come out of the Dark Ages like this with no respect for human life. It is hard for an outsider to understand how people living today and be such savages.

I studied Islam because I had a question that I wanted answered, and the question was "Why would anyone in their right mind believe in Islam?

Muslims have their beliefs all waiting for them if they have a Muslim father, that little baby has no choice but to be a Muslim, and then the Muslim countries enforce this and they have great penaltys for leaving Islam or denoucning Mohammed. Islam is not a system of free will, and Islam is a brain washing scheme from the cradle to the grave.

If we have been born free, we really need to thank God, over and over again. The God of the bible is not the god of Mohammed, the one who passes out 72 hooris for each man to have sex with , (perpetual virgins) in Mohammed's Paradise.

[frogjerk]

I agree the story needs to be told but I am just bored with this particular story as I have seen it many times here and in various chain-emails.

BTW, I agree that Islam is a cult and that it seems that more people are waking up to that fact than ever before. This is why the MSM is pushing the "peaceful Muslim" angle lately.

[TKDietz]

Like I said the only thing prisons are good for is keeping the really bad people away from the rest of us. They do not make people sent there better people. Generally they come out worse than when they went in. They make new criminal contacts, learn knew criminal skills and most seem to come out more hardened criminals with worse criminal attitudes. Around 70% who are released from prison will be rearrested on new felony charges within three years of their release. The other 30% may be just not getting caught. Statistics show that we have something like 2.1 million people in state and federal prisons but really more than that go every year because so many just spend a few months in prison and then are paroled only to be replaced by others only there for a short time. The prison system in this country is already bursting at the seams. There is no way we could keep all of these people a lot longer, although the best thing for us would be to keep some of the dangerous people and career criminals in a lot longer. I say we just need to get smarter and send less there in the first place but keep the ones we do send a lot longer. We need to figure out other ways to deal with most of these others rather then send them somewhere for a few months or a year or two (at great expense to the rest of us) that is just going to turn them into worse criminals.

[EdReform]

BTTT

[John O]

I say we just need to get smarter and send less there in the first place but keep the ones we do send a lot longer.

If you're going to fix the problem, really fix the problem. If the recidivism rate is so high, then for all perps sentenced to 15 years or more, convert the sentence into a death penalty and get them away from us for good.

Our problem is not too many people in prison, it's that we coddle too many people in prison. Prison is not a rehabilitation facilty, it's a place where people are punished. It should be as unpleasant as possible.

[MEGoody]

I've never seen it before.

[MEGoody]

Not only an old old story ... yawn!

Curiouser and curiouser - people click on a thread and take the time to post - just to say it's old news and indicate they are bored by it.

How strange.

[iconoclast]

Curiouser and curiouser - people click on a thread and take the time to post - just to say it's old news and indicate they are bored by it.

I hate to be the resident cynic ... but it's a "feel good", accomplish little or no good piece.

[Valpal1]

Nope, I was personally aware of and familiar with the UPS uniforms sold on Ebay urban legend and the resulting investigations when they occurred in Dec 02-Jan 03 months before it was an urban legend and they got around to investigating.

The first Snopes "debunking" article was wildly inaccurate and mostly quoted lies from ebay corporate.

It wasn't until after WorldNetDaily.com wrote an article on it in May 03 that they updated (July 03) to be more in line with actual facts.

They were so far off the mark on such a simple story that I realized that everything they wrote was now suspect.

Neither article discloses much, but in general I can tell you that Ebay corporate tells lies even when the truth is good news and that UPS corporate is upstanding, proactive and responsible, but they'll both deny everything ;-)

[TKDietz]

"Our problem is not too many people in prison, it's that we coddle too many people in prison. Prison is not a rehabilitation facilty, it's a place where people are punished. It should be as unpleasant as possible."

This nonsense about prisoners being coddled so much is more urban myth than anything else. I know in my state most prisons are prison farms where they make people work. I've been to several of these facilities. They are overcrowded, extremely unpleasant places to be. We're a poor southern state and we have to spend as little as possible per inmate so these place are anything but country clubs. They work in the sweltering heat and often sleep in nothing more than unshaded tin shacks with nothing coming close to resembling air conditioning. Homosexual rape and other physical assaults are common. No one ever wants to go back. I've seen them cry their eyes out at the prospect of just going there for a few months. I deal with people who are incarcerated all the time and while I've heard horror story after horror story from them I've never had one that said he liked prison or wanted to go back. Most of them are terrified of it and while the fear of going to prison might not stop many from continuing to commit crimes, they'll weasel like crazy to try to stay out after they've been caught.

You can say our problem is not that we have too many people in prison, but the reality is that is a major problem for us. It is costing us an absolute fortune and there seems to be no end in sight to the prison population explosion. Both the actual number of inmates and the per capita percentage of people incarcerated compared to the general population have zoomed up several times what they _ever_ were before things started to get out of hand in the late 1970's. We now really and truly do have more people locked up behind bars than Russia, China, or any other country in the world. We do have the world's highest per capita incarceration rate. We send people to prison left and right, often for stupid little things, and we are paying through the nose to do this, feeding all these people, providing them shelter, medical care, and so on.

Maybe we do need to execute more folks. We sure need to do something because we can't continue things the way we've been doing them the last close to thirty years. Somehow we need to get incarceration rates down because what were doing now is costing us a fortune, turning people into more hardened criminals with more criminal contacts and ties to organized crime, and it is helping in the recruitment effort for the Muslims who have set up shop in our prisons pretending to care about these people they are recruiting. We're going to really regret this someday. It is not conservative. It is a complete departure from the way things used to be. Anyone who tells you different doesn't know what he's talking about.

[RUSHLUVER]

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