Posted on 07/20/2005 7:01:09 AM PDT by kellynla
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - All of the estimated 10 million to 12 million illegal aliens in the United States would have to leave the country under an immigration bill introduced on Tuesday by two conservative Republican senators.
The bill by Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl and Texas Sen. John Cornyn is a tougher alternative to a rival bipartisan bill introduced two month ago that would allow some illegals to get jobs legally and eventually gain citizenship without leaving the country.
The Kyl-Cornyn bill calls for the creation of a machine-readable, tamper-proof Social Security card that would be issued to every American in the workforce to prevent illegals from getting jobs.
It would also fund the hiring of 10,000 new Department of Homeland Security personnel dedicated to weeding illegal immigrants out of the workforce and an additional 1,000 for detecting immigration fraud.
Companies that hired illegal immigrants would face tough fines.
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What I want to know is what amount of information must be contained on such a card to make sure that it cannot be misused.
Moreover, what other uses will evolve by the mere fact that such a card exists?
Wouldn't it be great if you could use this one card to pay for things and to get credit and as a driver's license? If you were in an accident, wouldn't it also be useful to have medical records and the names of your family as well?
Unfortunately these things would be great and make a very complicated lifestyle we now have more simple. And that means a demand would exist and that demand would be filled.
But, it is a very slippery slope, which criminals (both political and traditional)can lubricate to take us from convenience to Gattica. Just see my tag line.
They are just being sent home to get their new visa to come back and work.
Truth be told, this is one of the better immigration bills to come out.
Your ss card has always been a national id card. I don't know what everyones fear is of having a national id card. We already have birth certificates, SS cards. Why not make them better?
Without a proper proof of citizenship, we will never be able to curb the problem of illegal citizens.
Send them all back- I like the sounds of this bill.
Social Security Cards are so out of date and easy to counterfeit they remind me of Girl Scout cards from the 1950's. Just making them secure and verifiable will probably pay for the 10,000
new staff.
I am surprised and heartened by this bill.
Well, 010-12-1234 (as you are known as by your government), if a national ID card isn't a problem, why not an RFID chip? The RFID chip will even let us track people 'who are kidnapped'.
If you don't like the idea of an RFID chip, then why not just put a GPS chip into the national ID card, and have all of your medical and criminal history stored on the card as well?
We were specifically told when we were given Social Security numbers that they would never be used for identification. It would be great if the government would start keeping its word.
If you want to keep illegals out, build a G*d damn wall.
You don't expect any real action do you?
The whole idea is to hog tie the citizens.
Every time something happens, they go after the citizenry, rather than the invaders.
Of course there's a plan behind this.
I understand - but frankly the means to do most of the bad stuff I can imagine coming from an ID card already exists, if the folks in charge wanted to use it. More important is we citizens keeping our elected leaders on a very short leash. Then an ID card can be used for purposes benificial to our form of guv, like election integrity, etc.
...There are worse things than having to carry a National ID like dying...
The national ID is a step on the way to slavery.
Death is infinitely preferrable to slavery.
It won't stop anything.
They have no intention of stopping the invasion.
This is all about controlling the sheeple.
Seeing as how it's illegal for an alien to work in the US without a work permit already, every time I've applied for a job I've had to show proof of citizenship. The criteria seem to be either a passport, or a birth certificate and other stuff. Of course, I'm applying for professional-level jobs at Fortune 500 companies, not for a job as a dishwasher. So I don't see the problem here.
Social Security Cards are so out of date and easy to counterfeit they remind me of Girl Scout cards from the 1950's. Just making them secure and verifiable will probably pay for the 10,000<<<
The same with State Issued Drivers License. My CAT could get either!
Personally, I am offended that I am forced to have an SS number, even though I've never paid a nickel into the ponzi scheme and even more offended that my children had to be marked at birth by big brother's tag.
Fix the streets, protect the borders, thats about all the monkees in D.C. are supposed to do, not spend their every waking moment figuring out how to gain control over every aspect of everybody's life.
I share your concerns about Congress failing to follow through on enforcement. They have a miserable track record and there is no reason to trust them. In Tancredo's bill, the President is required to certify that measurable enforcement targets are being met before the guest worker provisions can take effect. That seems like a good provision.
So far, I have seen nothing in this bill that gives illegals a path to citizenship. Illegals that are already here are required to go home within 5 years and then can reapply as guests. They are strongly encouraged to go home within one year and for each year they stay beyond that they are required to pay a $2000 fine before they can be readmitted as a guest. I really like that.
Guests are allowed to come two years at a time and can be guests a maximum of three times (6 years total). There is no automatic path to citizenship although I suppose they can apply for legal admittance like anybody else.
But I have several questions about the guest worker part of this bill that nobody is answering:
- Are there any limits on the number of guest workers?
- Who determines if an industry has a worker shortage?
- Are there any protections on prevailing wages or can every $12 hour construction job be advertised at minimum wage and when no American accepts then the need for guest workers is established?
- Are jobs like engineers, accountants, computer programmers, electricians, plumbers, etc open to an unlimited number of skilled workers from places like India or does only the bottom segment of our workforce have to compete with an unlimited workforce supply?
- Will the children of the guest workers be citizens?
- How will we ensure the guest workers return home after their visa expires?
- Will guest workers be eligible for welfare programs like: subsidized housing, food stamps, earned income tax credit, etc?
Besides my skepticism about enforcement my big concern is that we are going to put big business in charge of our immigration policy and they are going to certify every job as a job where there are not enough American workers and they won't stop importing guests until all of us are earning minimum wage. Keep in mind that these are the same businesses that have been blatantly violating our current employment laws and they have shown themselves to have little regard for America or Americans.
We need a lot more information about the guest worker aspects of this bill before we can determine if it merits supports. I have been shocked at the number of FReepers who have just blindly been signing on without any critical thought.
But it won't help. The people that hire illegals, most of the time, know that they are not hiring citizens. The farmers that hire illegals are not going to care about this law - there are already laws that make it illegal to hire illegals. Let's enforce those laws, not make more laws.
Pro-immigration groups blasted the proposal. Angela Kelley of the National Immigration Forum said it was completely unworkable as well as massively expensive.
"There is no reason for the millions of illegal immigrants to come forward. We don't think this bill takes us in the direction of fixing our broken immigration system," she said.
Michele Waslin of the National Council of La Raza, the nation's largest Hispanic organization, said illegal immigrants would not sign up for voluntary deportation.
"There's no viable path for them in this bill to gain citizenship and that's problematic," she said.
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This is workable and it can be done! If the illegals do not want to leave then a bounty of $2,000.00 can be placed on them.Those who help them to hide illegals within the country should be prosecuted for aiding a foreign enemy- fined, imprisoned and loss of property, citizenship and deportation.
We cannot afford to play games with these people, our country, our lives and the Lives of our children are at stake.
I've seen nothing in the new Cornyn-Kyl guest worker legislation that says there won't be an unlimited number of highly educated guest workers from places like India applying for those jobs. First, they will advertise them at minimum wage and when people like you refuse to apply for them they will certify a shortage of qualified American workers and then the race towards a third world economic system begins.
slavery? maybe you should cut back on the coffee and step away from the 'puter...
I've had a national ID card since I was 16 years old which is half a century and I haven't done a damn thing I didn't want to do in my life other than pay income taxes. LMAO
now there are those in America who do not have a national ID card(Social Security card) who are de facto slaves...
kind of ironic, ehhhhhhh
So you believe the two conservative republican, border state senators who introduced this bill did so under the false pretense of stopping the invasion, when their true secret motivation was to control the American public? Sorry I'm not buying it. When any of our politicians makes an effort to do something to curb the invasion I'll support them. There's not that many who give a damn and that includes President Bush.
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