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Father of 9/11 hijacker warns of 50-year war

Posted on 07/20/2005 6:33:21 AM PDT by Jazzman1

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To: advance_copy; NCC-1701; Jazzman1; MarineDad; MplsSteve; tgusa; Sacajaweau; astounded; Pyro7480

At this point all of the comments on this thread have ranged from flippant to barely hidden genocidal, to down-right ignroant (talking about you NCC-1701).

The dumbest things one can possibly do when facing an enemy are to 1. underestimate him 2. not beleive his resolve is as strong on ones own and 3. not actually try and learn as much about him as possible.

In terms of analysis, our top boys are predicting 20 years of war. That basicially means that the current recuits and their younger brothers will then be too old and worn down to either want to blow themselves up or to teach their children to do the same.

This guy, on the other hand, is talking about 2 and half generations of war. Why is that and could there be merit to it?

I wonder what the predictions were in 1948 for how long it would take for Israel to be accepted in the Middle East? We are now pushing about 60 years of war there.

Any intelligent comments out there?


21 posted on 07/20/2005 6:59:42 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (You are free to do as you are told.)
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To: Jazzman1

22 posted on 07/20/2005 7:01:30 AM PDT by Tuba Guy (' Only YOU Can Prevent Hillary! ')
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To: NCC-1701

BTTT!


23 posted on 07/20/2005 7:03:52 AM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices it.)
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To: Jazzman1
Egyptian Mohamed el-Amir, whose son Mohamed Atta commandeered the first plane that crashed into the World Trade Centre in New York, said there was a double standard in the way the world viewed the victims in London and victims in the Islamic world.

Considering that the vast majority of Islamic repression is done by other Muslims, go suck eggs.

24 posted on 07/20/2005 7:05:32 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Jazzman1
This boob is showing the face of islamofascism.

The more he talks the more he only strengthens our side.

25 posted on 07/20/2005 7:08:19 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
"...Any intelligent comments out there?..."

Apparently not, according to you. I'm sure you have plenty so let's hear them. I was merely stating my point of view and exercising my freedom to post them here. No, I don't underestimate the enemy, nor do I downplay his resolve. And I do believe that the best way to defeat your enemy is to try and learn more about him than they know about themselves. Sorry to have offended you with my comments.

NCC-1701
26 posted on 07/20/2005 7:09:41 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (ISLAM IS A CULT!!!!! IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: Jazzman1
The father is telling us what many of us suspect. We either stop them as soon as possible or later, at which time it will be more difficult and with much greater negative consequences to us!
27 posted on 07/20/2005 7:10:51 AM PDT by RAY ( Heroes not, the U.S. Supreme Court!!)
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To: NCC-1701

The dumbest things one can possibly do when facing "FReepers" are to 1. underestimate him 2. not beleive his resolve is as strong on ones own and 3. not actually try and learn as much about him as possible.

Corrected!


28 posted on 07/20/2005 7:10:57 AM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices it.)
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To: Jazzman1
At the current rate, it's going to take fifty years for us to raise and equip an army of sufficient size and power to conquer and occupy Arabia and Pakistan-unless we are defeated first.

The development of an appropriate force is not going to happen before 2008, and if Mrs. Clinton is elected the earliest we could start is January of 2013.

Will that be too late?

29 posted on 07/20/2005 7:12:25 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God)
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Is there a special place in hell reserved for fathers whose malovence is so aggressive and so virulent that it actually kills their sons? The death of Mohammed Atta could be drawn in the Old Testament. Mohammed Atta was certainly no Absalom but his father must know in the wee hours of a dark night that he has certainly killed his own son.

The Old Testament describes such a place in hell "where the fire is never quenched and the worm die-th not" It is a place of unremitting, unrelenting, misery, torment, and woe.


30 posted on 07/20/2005 7:13:29 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Lose your borders, lose your citizenship; lose your citizenship, lose your Bill of Rights)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

What was "ignroant" your spelling, about his comments?


31 posted on 07/20/2005 7:14:56 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: NCC-1701

Actually I was primarily referring to your comments that Islam has no real history or civilization from which these maniacs come.

To the contrary, they know quite a bit about the mythology of what was truly once one of the world's greatest civilizations.

Unfortunately they pretty mcuh stopped moving forward at century twelve and starting going back. In fact 10th century Islam was far more advanced and tolerant than it is today.

What happened to them, is what will happen to us if we let the Kansas Kreationists pollute our understanding of what science actually is.

Aside from the history reference "No country, no past, no history to be proud of" - which was wrong - you are free to your overall opinion on the matter.


32 posted on 07/20/2005 7:16:40 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (You are free to do as you are told.)
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To: Jazzman1

And we'll be more than willing to kill more people like his "son."


33 posted on 07/20/2005 7:17:39 AM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: Jim Noble
At the current rate, it's going to take fifty years for us to raise and equip an army of sufficient size and power to conquer and occupy Arabia and Pakistan-unless we are defeated first.

It's not that we lack the equipment, what we lack is the determination and the will to fight until they are utterly defeated.

We were able to conquer and occupy Germany and Japan 60 years ago with far less equipment and technology than we have available today.

It might take a nuke or two.

34 posted on 07/20/2005 7:19:17 AM PDT by Alouette (Just when I think liberals can't get any more stupid, I'm wrong.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Are you really going to make me look back at all your posts to find spelling mistakes.

Grammar is more of a sign of ignorance than the simple switching of two letters here. I am typing you know and it is more of a sign of laziness - given the spellcheck option - than of any lack of intelligence.

Amazing that I had to clarify that for you.


35 posted on 07/20/2005 7:19:28 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (You are free to do as you are told.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Twenty years of war? Fifty? The last time we got into a war with the Muslims it lasted for centuries.


36 posted on 07/20/2005 7:20:05 AM PDT by Capriole (I don't have any problems that can't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

"Any intelligent comments out there?"

This is an emotional topic. Judging intelligent comments is subjective.
First, I'd say, go easy on other posters. When I hear of people who want me dead simply because I exist, it inflames me too. Perhaps some are young and not tempered, that's not always bad.
I have been studying the enemy. I'm convinced this is a war. It's a war just a sure as any war that's ever happened. The difference is, we are at war with a cult, not a nation. A shadowy, ruthless, clever opponent who is not easily vanquished. This is an enemy who is filled with anger, and a hate that we can't understand. They are taught, from the time they are young, that infidels are less than human. It's in their holy book, how can it be wrong?!
This sets them free to kill without remorse. It also fills them with a resolve we don't understand. Most Americans are happy if they have the weekend off, and they can watch the latest reality BS on tv. Many, (most?), Americans have no clue that they are a target of islam.
I blame our leaders for not drawing attention to what is really happening.
There are too many muslims to "kill them all". And, it goes against what we believe to be right. However, we will have to do some things we find distasteful. This is an enemy with a 7th century mindset and access to modern weaponry.
We will have to be vigilant, and prosecute this as a war, not a criminal case. This means all muslims are suspect, just as in World War II all Germans and Japanese were suspect.
We should welcome muslims who assimilate, and deport those who don't. We should be firm, and convince the muslim world that moderation will win favor, and extremism will bring death and destruction to their own house.
Anything less than that, and you may as well start shopping now for your prayer rug and koran.


37 posted on 07/20/2005 7:20:44 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I didn't question your intelligence. But to condemn his post as a sign of ignorance was uncalled for.

And for the record you clarified nothing.

38 posted on 07/20/2005 7:21:58 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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I concede both of your points. I need to be more careful with my language. The word should have been "thoughtful" not "intelligent". I will try and be more careful in the future.


39 posted on 07/20/2005 7:25:26 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (You are free to do as you are told.)
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To: brownsfan

That was a really good post by the way.


40 posted on 07/20/2005 7:26:45 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (You are free to do as you are told.)
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