Posted on 07/19/2005 9:34:10 AM PDT by AbeKrieger
CAMDEN, N.J. — Three boys who suffocated in a car trunk last month were alive for at least 17 hours, slowly succumbing while police searched their neighborhood, a lawyer for the family of one of the boys says. Lawyer Peter M. Villari told The New York Times that officials of the Camden County prosecutor's office went over details of an autopsy report with him, the newspaper reported Tuesday. The boys, ages 5, 6 and 11, disappeared from the yard where they were playing a little after 5 p.m. on June 22. Their deaths were ruled accidental. Relatives searched for the boys for three hours and then called authorities. A two-day search that included dogs, helicopters and boats on the nearby Delaware River ended when the father of one of the boys found them dead in the trunk of an inoperable car sitting just feet from where they had been playing. The autopsy report, which has not been released publicly, found that the boys died between 10:30 a.m. on June 23 and 2:30 a.m. on June 24, Villari said. That estimate was based on fluid and tissue samples and weather data, he said. Villari told the newspaper that responsibility for the deaths is now "squarely on the shoulders of the police." "I think the numbers speak for themselves," he said. "They were certainly alive when the police arrived and certainly well after the search started." Villari did no immediately return a call seeking additional comment Tuesday. The prosecutors' office had no immediate comment.
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Just checked out your home page...are you really a libertarian or just trying to mask your socialist tendencies?
Hello.
This thread is about whether the police did a sloppy job and ended up with SOME responsibility in the deaths of 3 boys.
The cops were sloppy at best, and negligent at worst.
Sounds like you take the position- "Just pay me labor union wages for my job, but don't ask me to take any resposibility."
But if you told someone to search the car for Osama Bin Laden, and they failed to discover that he was hiding in the trunk, WHAT WOULD YOUR RESPONSE BE AS THEIR BOSS?
"Don't worry, boys. You are not responsible."
Why didn't the parents keep the car locked? Why didn't the parents check the trunk? Why is the media pushing the "lawsuits may be pending" line? Making excuses for bad parents?
Hey, media: why not concoct the theory that the parents needed money so they smothered the children and put the bodies in the car after the police stopped searching?
Wow, there's a whole lot of details I sure didn't know! This incident is beyond "accidental" in my book. I may be wrong but too many illogical circumstances such as: people possibly being nearby and not hearing anything; police "searching" this vehicle (is this REALLY true??) and not giving more than a cursory look and again, not hearing anything; the common knowledge of this vehicle being there and no ones crawls under, through and opens every door, hood AND trunk lid, this is beyond reason, beyond belief.
"The person who left the trunk open or otherwise accessible to children - their fault 100%."
absolutely ... if that car belonged to some upscale Euro-American of means, that's who the family and their lawyer would be going after. Instead, it belonged to an uncle (or other relative) who doesn't have any dinero, so they have to blame it on the cops. Granted, the cops could and should have thought to pop the trunk, but it was closed when the arrived on the scene .. surely someone from the neighborhood - especially the relatives - should have known that the trunk had been opened before the boys so readily climbed in and locked themselves in the trunk. It is a tragedy, but every tragedy is not grounds for a lawsuit. One would also wonder why three boys couldn't have broken a tail light or otherwise alerted someone to where they were if they were alive so long.
Check out my post to E. Pluribus Unum in post #78. He doesn't want to acquiesce to the fact that the police negligence was absolute. He's too busy worrying about his wallet.
Aren't you getting tired yet from explaining the obvious to the stubborn and blinded crowd that continues to defend this pathetic police investigation? Geeze, I am!
Yes. I do get tired it.
Imagine if Bill Clinton had searched the car and Osama Bin Laden was hiding in the trunk.
You think they would be giving Bubba the benefit of the doubt?
"Shockingly poor police work and parenting."Your right,and don't forget the police used dogs in the search as well.The car was in close proximity to where the boys were last seen playing.Wouldn't a trained police dog pick up on the scent?I'd assume the dog(s)would pick up the scent and head straight for the car.More questions.
"Attractive Nuisance"Thankyou,i've been trying to think of that all day.
In regards to this case, if the police officers involved were deliberately negligent, that would be criminal, they should serve some time. If the officers involved were intentionally not vigilent enough in their efforts to find those boys, I think they should be out of their union jobs...I don't give a flying you-know-what about their union jobs. I don't even like unions.
All I'm saying is that sometimes accidents happen. Sometimes when one thinks they have done everything humanly possible to no avail, he or she might come to learn that the situation was never as convoluted as was originally thought. I believe that that is the case here. That is all. Hindsight is 20/20.
Those poor babies were there all along...I hope you are never in a situation where you are made to regret every breathing moment for the rest of your life. And I hope you never get sued for that one situation.
Here is another case of cops being neglegent.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1446847/posts
Here, police snipers shot a man carrying a mop.
They paid (a meger sum) in that case and should pay in this case also.
It took many deaths before ordinances were written requiring refrigerator doors be able to be opened from inside and cedar chests as well; discarded older models must have the doors removed before storage anywhere an "attractive nuisance" would be established by their prescence.
In the sniper mop case their actions directly caused the death of the individual. So I agree they bore responsibility.
An error of omission in the NJ boys case was more fatal than the error of comission in the sniper case.
Two shots to the arm and a couple of scars versus three dead boys.
I can see that you are a little overly attached to your agenda.
Don't know what to tell ya.
It's not a matter of an agenda.
Its a matter of competence.
I am an employer (5 employees). If I told one of them to check to make sure a machine was turned off before another employee checked it, I would expect it to be done.
If his incompetence resulted in a death, the employee would be fired. (and I would be sued)
When you tell a trained officer to search a car, and he fails to find three dying boys in the trunk, you could say he did a VERY sloppy job.
People who work in a drive-in theater know how to search a car for people. It's not difficult.
The reality of it is, Linkinpunk, that our worldviews are in conflict. We agree up until the point of punishment...you are litigiously-minded...I am not. I don't care for government workers and I don't care for trial lawyers. To me they are birds of a feather.
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