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Dead Boys Alive in Trunk for 17 Hours
FOXNews.com ^ | 7/19/2005 | Associated Press

Posted on 07/19/2005 9:34:10 AM PDT by AbeKrieger

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To: linkinpunk

Just checked out your home page...are you really a libertarian or just trying to mask your socialist tendencies?


161 posted on 07/19/2005 1:30:20 PM PDT by scoopscandal
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To: scoopscandal

Hello.

This thread is about whether the police did a sloppy job and ended up with SOME responsibility in the deaths of 3 boys.

The cops were sloppy at best, and negligent at worst.

Sounds like you take the position- "Just pay me labor union wages for my job, but don't ask me to take any resposibility."

But if you told someone to search the car for Osama Bin Laden, and they failed to discover that he was hiding in the trunk, WHAT WOULD YOUR RESPONSE BE AS THEIR BOSS?

"Don't worry, boys. You are not responsible."


162 posted on 07/19/2005 1:47:17 PM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: AbeKrieger

Why didn't the parents keep the car locked? Why didn't the parents check the trunk? Why is the media pushing the "lawsuits may be pending" line? Making excuses for bad parents?

Hey, media: why not concoct the theory that the parents needed money so they smothered the children and put the bodies in the car after the police stopped searching?


163 posted on 07/19/2005 1:52:42 PM PDT by ArmedNReady (Demand That Your Congressmen Declare Islam a Terrorist Organization)
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To: winodog

Wow, there's a whole lot of details I sure didn't know! This incident is beyond "accidental" in my book. I may be wrong but too many illogical circumstances such as: people possibly being nearby and not hearing anything; police "searching" this vehicle (is this REALLY true??) and not giving more than a cursory look and again, not hearing anything; the common knowledge of this vehicle being there and no ones crawls under, through and opens every door, hood AND trunk lid, this is beyond reason, beyond belief.


164 posted on 07/19/2005 2:16:20 PM PDT by brushcop (We lift up Pvt. Johnny Chrzenowski in prayer, recovering from burns received in an RPG ambush, Iraq.)
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To: AbeKrieger

"The person who left the trunk open or otherwise accessible to children - their fault 100%."

absolutely ... if that car belonged to some upscale Euro-American of means, that's who the family and their lawyer would be going after. Instead, it belonged to an uncle (or other relative) who doesn't have any dinero, so they have to blame it on the cops. Granted, the cops could and should have thought to pop the trunk, but it was closed when the arrived on the scene .. surely someone from the neighborhood - especially the relatives - should have known that the trunk had been opened before the boys so readily climbed in and locked themselves in the trunk. It is a tragedy, but every tragedy is not grounds for a lawsuit. One would also wonder why three boys couldn't have broken a tail light or otherwise alerted someone to where they were if they were alive so long.


165 posted on 07/19/2005 2:23:15 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: new cruelty
What's priceless is that, given the stats made up, you don't think one is necessary.

Check out my post to E. Pluribus Unum in post #78. He doesn't want to acquiesce to the fact that the police negligence was absolute. He's too busy worrying about his wallet.

166 posted on 07/19/2005 4:48:16 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: linkinpunk

Aren't you getting tired yet from explaining the obvious to the stubborn and blinded crowd that continues to defend this pathetic police investigation? Geeze, I am!


167 posted on 07/19/2005 4:54:25 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: demkicker

Yes. I do get tired it.

Imagine if Bill Clinton had searched the car and Osama Bin Laden was hiding in the trunk.

You think they would be giving Bubba the benefit of the doubt?


168 posted on 07/19/2005 6:07:09 PM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: MilspecRob

"Shockingly poor police work and parenting."Your right,and don't forget the police used dogs in the search as well.The car was in close proximity to where the boys were last seen playing.Wouldn't a trained police dog pick up on the scent?I'd assume the dog(s)would pick up the scent and head straight for the car.More questions.


169 posted on 07/19/2005 8:21:03 PM PDT by Thombo2
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To: Gunrunner2

"Attractive Nuisance"Thankyou,i've been trying to think of that all day.


170 posted on 07/19/2005 8:35:29 PM PDT by Thombo2
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To: linkinpunk
I have no love for law enforcement. I have no hate for them either. I do however find the litigious nature of our society to be offensive and highly repulsive. If you're a trial lawyer, you are probably numb to how low our society has become in its litigious tendencies. I don't know what to say?...I'm sorry.

In regards to this case, if the police officers involved were deliberately negligent, that would be criminal, they should serve some time. If the officers involved were intentionally not vigilent enough in their efforts to find those boys, I think they should be out of their union jobs...I don't give a flying you-know-what about their union jobs. I don't even like unions.

All I'm saying is that sometimes accidents happen. Sometimes when one thinks they have done everything humanly possible to no avail, he or she might come to learn that the situation was never as convoluted as was originally thought. I believe that that is the case here. That is all. Hindsight is 20/20.

Those poor babies were there all along...I hope you are never in a situation where you are made to regret every breathing moment for the rest of your life. And I hope you never get sued for that one situation.

171 posted on 07/20/2005 8:57:36 AM PDT by scoopscandal
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To: scoopscandal

Here is another case of cops being neglegent.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1446847/posts

Here, police snipers shot a man carrying a mop.

They paid (a meger sum) in that case and should pay in this case also.


172 posted on 07/20/2005 9:08:55 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: AbeKrieger

It took many deaths before ordinances were written requiring refrigerator doors be able to be opened from inside and cedar chests as well; discarded older models must have the doors removed before storage anywhere an "attractive nuisance" would be established by their prescence.


173 posted on 07/20/2005 9:19:15 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: linkinpunk

In the sniper mop case their actions directly caused the death of the individual. So I agree they bore responsibility.


174 posted on 07/20/2005 9:22:59 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: AbeKrieger

An error of omission in the NJ boys case was more fatal than the error of comission in the sniper case.

Two shots to the arm and a couple of scars versus three dead boys.


175 posted on 07/20/2005 9:35:20 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: proudofthesouth
After about an hour (which is probably before anyone even realized that they were missing), they were either unconscious or stuporous from lack of oxygen. By the time (IF EVER) they were mentally aware of the danger that they were in, they were likely unable to physically do anything about it, including making noise or trying to kick their way out of the back seat (if that possible escape route ever occurred to them).

This is why it is inexcusable for the police to have reported they they searched the car when they did not search the trunk. They should lose their jobs and get sued.
176 posted on 07/20/2005 10:02:30 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: linkinpunk
Right.

I can see that you are a little overly attached to your agenda.

Don't know what to tell ya.

177 posted on 07/20/2005 10:05:41 AM PDT by scoopscandal
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To: Hildy
Your comments are grotesquely irrational. There is no excuse on earth for the police not checking the trunk of a car which they reported they had searched. Three boys are dead as a result.
178 posted on 07/20/2005 10:10:25 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: scoopscandal

It's not a matter of an agenda.

Its a matter of competence.

I am an employer (5 employees). If I told one of them to check to make sure a machine was turned off before another employee checked it, I would expect it to be done.

If his incompetence resulted in a death, the employee would be fired. (and I would be sued)

When you tell a trained officer to search a car, and he fails to find three dying boys in the trunk, you could say he did a VERY sloppy job.

People who work in a drive-in theater know how to search a car for people. It's not difficult.


179 posted on 07/20/2005 10:25:02 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: linkinpunk
Got it. I realize that you are trying to put the focus on the actions or inactions of the officers. But that isn't my point. An investigation needs to be done and people should be punished accordingly.

The reality of it is, Linkinpunk, that our worldviews are in conflict. We agree up until the point of punishment...you are litigiously-minded...I am not. I don't care for government workers and I don't care for trial lawyers. To me they are birds of a feather.

180 posted on 07/20/2005 11:07:03 AM PDT by scoopscandal
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