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Job-sponsored health plans may be targeted for taxation
Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | Wed, Jul. 13, 2005 | Kevin G. Hall

Posted on 07/19/2005 5:30:12 AM PDT by ancient_geezer

WASHINGTON - For 60 years, American workers have received job-sponsored health-care benefits that are excluded from income and payroll taxes, but now they're in danger of taxation.

An odd coalition of groups from both the right and left wants to tax those benefits, and a special presidential commission is weighing whether to recommend ending their tax exemption when issuing its report Sept. 30 on how to overhaul the tax system.

On Capitol Hill, aides to tax-writing committee chairmen said ending the exemption had become "background chatter" in both chambers of Congress, where lawmakers are meeting privately in search of consensus on how to close expected funding gaps for Social Security and Medicare.

Today's system of employer-provided health care dates to World War II, when the federal government imposed wage caps to help the wartime economy. Unable to offer higher wages to attract scarce workers, companies competed for them by offering health insurance.

The war ended, but job-based insurance stuck. By the mid-1950s the Internal Revenue Service code favored it. Companies were allowed to deduct the costs of employee health-care plans from their taxable income. For employees, those often-generous benefits were separate from taxable wages.

Left-leaning advocates call for ending the tax exclusion for job-sponsored health benefits in the name of fairness. They think the benefits are an invisible tax break for wealthier Americans that's unavailable to poorer ones, who generally don't get job-based health insurance.

"The tax break is regressive because people at the lower-income brackets get less benefit. It does just the opposite of what it should," said David Kendall, a senior health-policy analyst at the Progressive Policy Institute in Washington, a research center for the centrist Democratic Leadership Council. "It promotes coverage for people who can already afford it."

Census Bureau data show that 82 percent of Americans who earned more than $75,000 last year had job-sponsored health plans excluded from taxation, but only 23 percent of Americans who made less than $25,000 did.

Americans without job-based health insurance must pay their medical bills out of pocket or purchase their own insurance, and in both instances they generally are unable to deduct those costs from their taxes. President Bush hasn't called publicly for ending the tax exclusion, but he promotes Health Savings Accounts, enacted into law last year, which allow qualifying Americans to set aside money for health-care expenditures that can be credited against income taxes.

Some right-leaning advocates think the tax exclusion for job-sponsored health benefits should end because it distorts the free market. The Heritage Foundation, a conservative policy-research center, says the exclusion leaves consumers in the dark about the real costs of health care, leading them to make uninformed decisions that ripple through the health-care economy, driving up costs.

"The idea of an employer determining what is best for them is increasingly untenable," said Robert Moffit, the director of Heritage's Center for Health Policy Studies.

Advocates on left and right agree on this: Ending the tax exclusion should be accompanied by a new national tax-credit system for health care.

Tax credits would exempt health plans from taxation up to a set dollar limit. Employers would put price tags on the benefits they provide to employees - many already do this to remind workers why wages aren't rising - and anything above the government-set limit would be treated as taxable income. This would allow the taxation of so-called Cadillac health plans, the generous ones that cover everything from fancy eyeglasses to hair transplants.

"The mechanics of doing it don't have to be revolutionary," said Mark Pauly, an expert on health-care costs at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School. "The main problem now is that the exclusion makes expensive insurance look cheap."

The chairman of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, California Republican Bill Thomas, has repeatedly criticized the exclusion of health plans from taxation. Any restructuring of Medicare, Social Security or the federal tax code must go through his committee. Changes in all three areas are being debated in his committee and elsewhere in Congress.

Earlier this year, the Congressional Budget Office, the legislature's analytical arm, estimated that eliminating the tax exclusion for employers and employees for health-care benefits could raise $195 billion by 2010, and $705 billion through 2015.

If employer-provided life insurance were treated as taxable income, that would raise another $9.7 billion through 2010, and $22.4 billion through 2015.

While those numbers may appeal to lawmakers looking for ways to close a funding gap, few people would welcome being taxed.

"The economics of it are easier than the politics," said Jack Meyer, the president of the Economic and Social Research Institute in Washington, which champions ending the exclusion.

Little is accomplished on health care in Washington without the blessing of the AARP, the powerful lobby for older Americans, and it opposes ending the exclusion.

"To remove the exemption for health benefits would be a significant tax increase on tens of millions of Americans," said David Certner, AARP's federal affairs director.

AARP is open to capping the value of the exclusion provided there's a direct tradeoff benefit for older Americans, especially those ages 55 to 65 who've lost job-sponsored health insurance and are too young to qualify for Medicare, the federal insurance program for retirees 65 and older.

"We would certainly be willing to look at reasonable limits if that money would be plowed back into helping the uninsured," Certner said.

In 2003, 45 million Americans lacked health insurance, census data show. The number of uninsured could be lowered sharply by ending the exclusion and using the new tax revenue to create subsidized insurance for those without job-based coverage, advocates said.

"This really needs to stay within the health sector, to help fix some of the problems we have been dealing with for several decades," said Grace-Marie Turner, the president of the Galen Institute, a Virginia-based health-policy group.

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For more information online, go to:

- The President's Advisory Panel on Federal Tax Reform, March hearing, testimony under Tax Treatment of Families, at www.taxreformpanel.gov/meetings. Click on the one for March 23, 2005.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: dhpl; justsayno; taxaholics; taxes; taxreform
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To: Tax-chick
the employer does not have the option to pay them an equal amount as salary.

I guess I misunderstand. Why cannot the employer pay more salary ?

61 posted on 07/19/2005 6:22:19 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Trust but Verify

What I aways wondered, and have a real problem with, as I was paying my 20% deductable, was, am I paying 20% on the full price, while my insurer is only paying the negotiated fraction?

With your example, which is certainly typical, the insurer pays $75, and you pay 20% of $250=$50.


62 posted on 07/19/2005 6:23:22 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: cinives

Then it was my mistake as well. I'm getting another cup right now. :^)


63 posted on 07/19/2005 6:24:56 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: ancient_geezer

If the government ends up doing this, and health benefits are taxed as income, then the other side of the equation is that all premiums and out of pocket health costs should be deductible, with no minimum out of pocket required to be eligible for tax relief.


64 posted on 07/19/2005 6:26:08 AM PDT by floozy22
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To: cinives

Well, in pure theory he could, as well as continuing to provide the (now-taxable) health insurance.

I'm confusing myself here. I think we should go to the library!


65 posted on 07/19/2005 6:26:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Democrats ... frolicking on the wilder shores of Planet Zongo.)
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To: chris1

So......are you a conservative or not?

One of the principles of conservativism is less power in the govt hands.........doesn't sound like you are willing to pay the cost of being conservative.

I believe enough in the USA that answers will be found. The answer of Health savings accounts is already in place.


66 posted on 07/19/2005 6:26:28 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: cinives

I think the point was that some states require employer provided health insurance. If that requirement is in place, the employee is stuck with a higher tax bill and not even the option of more salary.

Its just another gimmick to steal more money out of the economy.

Employers pay payroll and SS taxes on employees. Why would an employer offer more salary if it will now have to pay more in taxes???

Additionally, a family person, this scheme could push them into a higher bracket or AMT. Its a disgusting attempt to screw the employee, again.


67 posted on 07/19/2005 6:26:53 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: cinives

Because it raises his FICA share, among other taxes, and that's a big bite.


68 posted on 07/19/2005 6:26:54 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952

Yes, you are correct. I will find out soon if you really can negotiate a lower bill when you are uninsured. My son went to the hospital and was treated for dehydration. His insurance ran out only three days prior. The hospital charged $1325 for his treatment. If he still had the insurance, they would have paid the hospital less than 50% of the amount charged, and his co-pay would have been $50.

Will the hospital take the amount they would have gotten from the insurance and call it even, or are they going to insist he pay the full bill? We'll see.


69 posted on 07/19/2005 6:28:52 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: bill1952

Well okay then let's talk about 'what the market values'. Are basketball players more important than fire fighters and police officers? I live the suburbs but city cops don't get much. Not everything boils down to market value. You're still dealing with people, which I think conservatives and free market absolutists forget sometimes.


70 posted on 07/19/2005 6:30:53 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: ancient_geezer

Milton Friedman has argued that this is the first step in regaining control of the health care system, because the non-taxable nature of health care has led people to believe it's "free," and thus to use more of it; and if it were taxed, Friedman argues, people would then engage in negotiations with employers about whether they wanted cash, health care, or whatever. He maintains it's the first step toward medical savings accounts.


71 posted on 07/19/2005 6:30:58 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Read my post #67. This plan is not conservative. It is a step towards a national health plan, which you are probably and for good reason against.

This plan is a huge tax increase for the average guy. I am not in favor of taxing people to death as this plan will help do. I am in favor of not raping people's salaries as this plan will.

This idea has nothing to do with conservative liberal. It has to do with sucking the dry the working person.

Before you call me names - what does it say when liberal groups are all in favor of this as the article states????????


72 posted on 07/19/2005 6:31:55 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: chris1; cinives

Thanks for the help, Chris. I'm trying to make a point of principle, and not doing a very good job.

One more try: Given the massive government intervention, at every level of supply, provision, mandated benefits, mandated payments, da-da-da-da-da-da, that is currently going on in the health care system, I think that changing a single item such as taxability of employer benefits, while leaving the rest of the structure intact, is going to do more harm than good to the consumer, and also work against the long-term goal of a health system that operates free of government.


73 posted on 07/19/2005 6:33:38 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Democrats ... frolicking on the wilder shores of Planet Zongo.)
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To: Trust but Verify

Good luck with that.

I know that you can negotiate before the services are rendered with some providers, but I see no reason not to after, as well.

I did with a very large hospital bill once.
It was 6 figures+ but I ended up paying a fraction of that.


74 posted on 07/19/2005 6:34:15 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: cyborg

Government determining wages is better?


75 posted on 07/19/2005 6:34:45 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Democrats ... frolicking on the wilder shores of Planet Zongo.)
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To: Trust but Verify

If you need a hand with that, private email me and I might be of assistance if the hospital gives you a hard time.


76 posted on 07/19/2005 6:35:21 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: ancient_geezer

Oh good grief!

Give Dr. Tom Coburn a scalpel and let him cut all the pork out of all the budgets they pass, and then maybe I'll consider this a good idea.


77 posted on 07/19/2005 6:36:44 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: chris1
What evidence says all employers will not offer more money in lieu of insurance, if all employers are subject to the same tax rules ?

If you are a person with valuable skills, more money will be coming your way, because now you are freer to accept another job without fear of losing health insurance.

Employers would also lose the costs of negotiating and administering health plans.

78 posted on 07/19/2005 6:37:23 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Tax-chick

Great post. Exactly.


79 posted on 07/19/2005 6:38:27 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: Tax-chick

I never said that.


80 posted on 07/19/2005 6:38:45 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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