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Senate to Vote on Hawaiian Self-Rule Bill
Newsday ^

Posted on 07/18/2005 6:05:11 AM PDT by Alex Marko

HONOLULU -- After six years of trying, Sen. Daniel Akaka hopes to finally see a vote in the Senate this week on one of the hardest-fought measures of his congressional career -- his bill to grant his fellow Native Hawaiians federal recognition. "It will have a historical impact," said Akaka, D-Hawaii. "It affects Hawaii, the Pacific, the nation." The measure is tentatively scheduled for debate Monday night and Tuesday, with a vote on Wednesday. Akaka and Hawaii's other Democratic senator, Daniel Inouye, say there are enough votes for approval. It would grant Native Hawaiians the same rights of self-government enjoyed by American Indians and Native Alaskans, and would lead to U.S. recognition of a native governing entity. The bill has the support of Hawaii's Democratic and Republican leaders of all races, including Gov. Linda Lingle and the state Legislature. ...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 109th; akaka; akakabill; constitution; hawaii; selfrule; senate; soverignty
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1 posted on 07/18/2005 6:05:14 AM PDT by Alex Marko
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grant Native Hawaiians the same rights of self-government enjoyed by American Indians and Native Alaskans casinos.
2 posted on 07/18/2005 6:06:42 AM PDT by anonymous_user (You gotta be passionate about something. I guess.)
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To: Alex Marko

Hawai To Get Casinos.........


3 posted on 07/18/2005 6:07:11 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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I say cut them loose. Give Hawaii autonomy as well as Puerto Rico and take away all federal tax money.


4 posted on 07/18/2005 6:07:54 AM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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I say cut them loose. Give Hawaii autonomy as well as Puerto Rico and take away all federal tax money.

Agreed plus it would eliminate I believe 4 blue electoral votes!

5 posted on 07/18/2005 6:10:08 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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You beat me. I couldn't type the word "casino" fast enough. Lurking here in Ledyard, CT - home of the world's largest Casino.


6 posted on 07/18/2005 6:10:23 AM PDT by CTGOPPER (In a red town, in a blue county, in blue state of CT)
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To: Alex Marko

What's realy interesting and/or annoying is that the proponents refuse to submite this to a plebiscite..Polls sindicate that MOST native Hawaiians oppose this...So why is the GOP governor for it?


7 posted on 07/18/2005 6:11:49 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Archon of the East

LOL, I didn't think of that. I would give them 2 years before they became a meth infested Haiti.


8 posted on 07/18/2005 6:11:57 AM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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Agreed, just let them go.


9 posted on 07/18/2005 6:12:17 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Alex Marko

This is nothing less than pathetic, this attempt to try and paint the Pacific Islanders as another persecuted victim group. Hawaii wasn't stolen from anyone against their will, they wanted statehood and they got it.


10 posted on 07/18/2005 6:15:55 AM PDT by jpl
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So why is the GOP governor for it?

V-O-T-E-S

Polling data shows anyone opposing it as losing votes.
Can't let common sense or principle stand in the way./sarcasm
11 posted on 07/18/2005 6:15:55 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Alex Marko

Let them have it as long as we don't have to pay taxes to support them.


12 posted on 07/18/2005 6:18:39 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Yup - They'll pave paradise and put up a park of slots!


13 posted on 07/18/2005 6:20:51 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Alex Marko

I think Americans should be Americans. Not Native Americans, not African Americans. If you live in USA you are American, period.

And I am part Cherokee. And I have a black slave ancestor, Rufus Hargrove.

I say we are all AMERICANS, PERIOD!


14 posted on 07/18/2005 6:23:43 AM PDT by buffyt (Web Sites Let People Take News Into Their Own Hands ~ Thank YOU Jim Robinson!)
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I'm the son of immigrant parents. And i cannot agree with you more. I am pro-US first and foremost. No ethnic backround of mine or my parents or ancestors is relevant. I live, work and play in the US and will defend it to the bitter end.


15 posted on 07/18/2005 6:25:53 AM PDT by Alex Marko
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To: jpl
This is nothing less than pathetic, this attempt to try and paint the Pacific Islanders as another persecuted victim group. Hawaii wasn't stolen from anyone against their will, they wanted statehood and they got it.

Sorry, but long before Hawaii wanted and got Statehood, the kingdom was stolen.  Only we didn't instigate it.  No good reason to gloss over that basic fact.

What is not clear to me is what the native (meaning the first people) Hawaiians want and why they want it.  Also from this article:

A group of mostly Native Hawaiians issued a declaration saying the bill "debases our sovereign heritage and our right to self-determination." It also said the bill "would attempt to label us with an identity as Native Americans that is not and will never be who we are as a people."

Kelikina Kekumano, who said she spends much of her time lobbying for Native Hawaiian rights, objects to the bill "because it makes us another Indian tribe."

The retired flight attendant is scheduled to testify Tuesday before a House Judiciary subcommittee considering an identical bill. The House last passed an earlier version of the bill in 2000, but it has never before made it to the Senate floor.

Also opposed to the bill is a group of mostly Caucasians who say it is race-based.

  There are not a great many descendants of the original Hawaiians, so this kind of dissension is all the more stark.

16 posted on 07/18/2005 6:26:26 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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It would grant Native Hawaiians the same rights of self-government enjoyed by American Indians and Native Alaskans, and would lead to U.S. recognition of a native governing entity.

???

Well, if he can talk them into voluntarily forfeiting their land and move to some barren reservation in Nevada or New Mexico, it's OK with me.

But I doubt if many native Hawaiians are gonna fall for that old scam....
A hundred years ago... maybe... but certainly not in this day and age.

But the Senate is full of idiots, so it's no surprise that this is an "issue" requiring national attention.

17 posted on 07/18/2005 6:27:10 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer - and some people polka)
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To: jpl

Well that could most certainly be argued, while its true that Statehood was voted on and passed. It is also true that a group of American businessmen essentually did overthrow Hawaii's ruler and set themselves up as the government.

I suggest you do a little more research because if one believes the American Indians were forced aside and their land taken by the USA, then your going to find out that the same thing was done in Hawaii.


18 posted on 07/18/2005 6:28:47 AM PDT by federal
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Will the demand for reparations be far behind?

Since early Kennewick Man studies are showing that Indians were not the first ones here, thus not Natives, I don't blame this hyphen-American group for not wanting to be lumped into the Native American group, although, genetically, they are much closer.
19 posted on 07/18/2005 6:33:05 AM PDT by Founding Father ( Republicans control the Oval Office, Senate and House, but still can't govern.)
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Will the demand for reparations be far behind?

What do you mean . . . far behind?

My understanding is some small number of Hawaiians want the kingdom returned.  Start from there and proceed to existing race-based Native Hawaiian only programs.

Hope an Aloha Stater jumps in to explain what's really going on.

20 posted on 07/18/2005 6:39:53 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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