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Lie To Me, Please!

R.V.Tucker

Are you one of those people who prefer being lied to rather than come face to face with ‘truth?’ Do you avoid news about violent crime against women and children? Do you cringe at the brutality of serial killers? In the Eastern Province of Van in Turkey (BBC news) Turkish shepherds watched as sheep jumped off a cliff, one at a time; if the 400 that died hadn’t become a cushion for the remaining 1,100 an entire village would have lost everything. As liberals and conservatives we call each other ‘sheeple’ and ‘kool-aid drinkers’ and its true, too many on both sides either believe they are always told the truth or don’t really want to know what the truth is. Truth can be very demanding; it forces us to venture outside the perimeters of that comfort zone we work so hard to build around ourselves. Nowadays the truth is just as illusive as a ‘lightening bug’ is to an excited puppy..... http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/rr.v.tucker_20050717.html

1 posted on 07/17/2005 9:44:38 PM PDT by icecold
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2 posted on 07/17/2005 9:47:50 PM PDT by icecold
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A freeper said that David Korn was married toristina Vandenhuevel! That HAS to be a lie! I think Korn is gay....isn't he?


3 posted on 07/17/2005 9:50:09 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: icecold

In the "good old days', the Left would get away with this smear. Thanks be to god, the "good old days" are gone. Now the Left has to stand up with their arguments only, and this has them frightened to apoplexy (as well it should).


5 posted on 07/17/2005 9:51:08 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Mark Levin and Ann Coulter for SCOTUS!)
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To: icecold

bttt


15 posted on 07/17/2005 9:58:32 PM PDT by nopardons
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Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's "cover" (even if she had not been a covert CIA agent at the time of the alleged "leaks")?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair.


18 posted on 07/17/2005 10:00:32 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: icecold
Straight from the Washington DC Social Pages:


19 posted on 07/17/2005 10:12:37 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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The Plot Thickens: Matthew Cooper Lied.
20 posted on 07/17/2005 10:13:33 PM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals call the Constitution a living document because they enjoy torturing it.)
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To: icecold

Are you the last to know? I thought everyone knew.


23 posted on 07/17/2005 10:24:35 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: icecold
Let's all sing the Manilow classic -- MANDY
24 posted on 07/17/2005 10:25:41 PM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming)
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Time magazine's Matthew Cooper married longtime Clinton adviser Mandy Grunwald in November 1997. Hillary Clinton even threw Grunwald a baby shower at the White House in July 1998. At the time Cooper was covering presidential politics for Newsweek.

Journalists on Clinton White House Payroll?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/1/27/114029.shtml

The Clinton Factor
Bill and Hillary’s former media guru.

http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/10429/


25 posted on 07/17/2005 10:31:32 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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I liked this line:

"We hear every day about ‘separation of church and state;’ how about ‘separation of political bias and journalism’"

The MSN is NOT mainstream!

Let's call it "Adware Journalism"

The NYT and their sick companions are fortresses of liberal bias, attaching themselves to news stories with a killer mission, like an unwanted virus on your computer, or an adware file.

Their hidden bias reeks once identified!

Journalistic bias should be identified so the reader is made aware that a partisan hack is penning a partisan hack story.

Adware journalism is slowing America as we know it, to an overloaded halt. Just look for example, how the courts are being used to promote the homosexual agenda, and the secular materialist pov.

28 posted on 07/17/2005 10:36:48 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: icecold

Are you sure her name isn't Randy? Damn, what kind of guy would touch that thing, even with a ten foot pole?
I swear, that's a guy in drag!


30 posted on 07/17/2005 10:42:09 PM PDT by derllak
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Sad to say it...
SUPPORTING Righteous causes, Marching for Support and our Troops ; donating Money or even Buying articles our troops need, "Not" being a Drop-out from school, WORKING FULL TIME/ sometimes TWO jobs for a living and to teach your children the American way in Private Schools or investing in sending them to GOOD "social" activities OUTSIDE liberal school hours,or just plane WASTING your moneis on candidates that either don't stand a CHANCE--or DO NOT get enough backing to Have a real shot at defeating democrats,...I could go on....

...but maybe Conservatives see themselves spending Money for the " Right Things " and for OTHER worthy, charitable causes.......

While liberals tend to think that their socialist utopian ideas, their democrats in power/running , their DIRE NEED for " POWER " ..and that they TREAT their PARTY as more a RELIGION! and treated with FANATICAL FOLLOWING!! SUICIDAL Donations and Volunteering and Campaigning!!

.......AND with recruiting SUCH YOUNG, EMOTIONALLY CHARGED, Emotionally,mentally,easily manipulated/indoctrinated AGES!!!!! ( and they say recent suicide bombers have all been YOUTHS!! pushed on by "elder sponsors and mentors "!!-who SAYS that Al Qaeda didn't take a Page from the DEMOCRAT/MOVINGON/DU Play Book Pages!!! )

No WONDER THE CLINTONS "spread " their messages and their REACH goes so FAR!!-----

With ALL THE MONEY THEY HAVE to throw around and BUYING PEOPLE OFF!!! : Who DON"T they know?? Who DON'T they OWN?? Who Haven't they Bought OFF! Black-mailed! ; Businesses, Newspapers, Reporters, Mags, UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS!! Art Museums and Hollywood??

COOPER'S WIFE WORKING FOR THE CLINTONS????

Who DOESN'T "work" for the Clintons in one way or another?

add that to the " Butt-Kissers " with their " want-to be-liked-by-the-ELITISTS-and-invited-to-parties-to-say-I-shook-Bill N Hillary's-hands!!"" ????

The "Good Guys"...the CONSERVATIVES may not always win again like they did thru some rare circumstance of events in 04'---but not when in 06 and 08 you take away a few dire events for the Conservatives to rally behind...add
ALL THE PEOPLE AND $$$ the CLINTONS will have! Hillary turning Conservative! ( gag!)

Conservatives BETTER learn how to start FIGHTING!! and FIGHTIG MEAN!!

Get some back bone!!!-------KICK OUT THE RHINO'S!!---TELL OUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMAN TO MAKE MORE FACE AND VOICE TIME OR WE WILL GET SOMELES WHO WILL!!"FULLY" EXPOSE RAGS LIKE THE TIMES!!! ( 20 republicans actually recently voted WITH democrats on the 2nd provision of secrecy laws that would ahev COOKED many democrats!! and then also remember those 14 judicial traitors??)

Conservative P*E*O*P*L*E* LIKE Y*O*U* AND M*E* MUST AIM AT THE ADVERTISERS OF RAGS AND CABLE AND TV AND PAPERS AND TELL THEM--YOU GUYS ARE TOAST !! AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOUR PRODUCT AND SERVICES THAT SPONSOR LIBERALS AND SOCIALISTS WILL BE BLITZ WITH OUR ADS MAKING SURE YOUR PRODUCTS AND THE TERM " ANTI-AMERICAN " GO HAND-IN-HAND!!

GET PETITIONS!! SIGN LETTERS!! TAKE THAT LOSUEY DAY OFF FROM WORK TO RALLY LIKE THEY DO ALMOST EVERY DAY!!

"THE COOPER'S WORK FOR CLINTON"????

CONSERVTAVES BETTER WAKE UP AND BE MORE ACTIVE!!

BEFORE THERE "IS " NO ONE "LEFT" TO SAY ,"...DID YOU KNOW THOSE PEOPLE WORK FOR A REPUBLICAN???"

Hey Freepers?? What can I Do?? Myself; just a kid?


signed,
TOM,
Say a Prayer for Chris my brother please.

p.s. -sorry....I just got alittle mad that recently just someone like "cooper" showed their colors ...again...: The New York Times!

The New York Times did it again with that CIA Air Operation leak just as important if not more than if the "Wilson leak" had been real!!--NOTHING was "done" or "urged done" by conservatives!! NO "Outrage" by OUR Senators!! Newspapers!! Etc.---but the Wilson thing!!WWHHAAOOO!!!
( and what ever happened to the OUTRAGE by OUR POLITICIANS when that Senate intell. Democrat leaked MEMO by one of Jay Rockefeller's came out!!! NADA!! ZIP!! all because AS USUAL the Conservatives ---just like Bush hiring Kennedy to help with the education bills---wanted to be "Liked" and work "bi-partisan"!! Some " big Noise" then nada! WHEN WILL THEY LEARN AND WE TELL THEM TO LEARN WHAT TO DO!!)

THEIR "members"..their "followers" ,..their " people who are bought off" did PLENTY!!

Where is the thread that shows ME where to SIGN and What VENDERS/Advertisers FreeRepublic will send OUR letters to telling them their TOAST for not just picking on " democrat" but for PICKING ON THE LIES!! and SUPPORTING those LIES even once the truth is out!!

before SOEMONE RIGHTLY TURNS TO me AND SAYS " WHAT DID 'I' DO??" i tried keeping up with some groups that actually DO somthing with the Young Republicans and the Protest Warriors..and tried doing some things myself to honor my brother like putting up flyers and posters..but I am a 1st year colllege student, taking care of the family since my brother is really sick again and can't ..and of the two nicheals I HAD to "rub together" : one went to support Our Troops and the other to my family...but you MEN and WOMEN!! My brother always BRAGGED! : "...when things look bad don't worry--you can always count of the FREEPERS to come through!!"

When is the next Freeper's march?--COUNT ME IN!! I am THERE!!


31 posted on 07/17/2005 10:42:32 PM PDT by AirBorn
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Sad to say it...
SUPPORTING Righteous causes, Marching for Support and our Troops ; donating Money or even Buying articles our troops need, "Not" being a Drop-out from school, WORKING FULL TIME/ sometimes TWO jobs for a living and to teach your children the American way in Private Schools or investing in sending them to GOOD "social" activities OUTSIDE liberal school hours,or just plane WASTING your moneis on candidates that either don't stand a CHANCE--or DO NOT get enough backing to Have a real shot at defeating democrats,...I could go on....

...but maybe Conservatives see themselves spending Money for the " Right Things " and for OTHER worthy, charitable causes.......

While liberals tend to think that their socialist utopian ideas, their democrats in power/running , their DIRE NEED for " POWER " ..and that they TREAT their PARTY as more a RELIGION! and treated with FANATICAL FOLLOWING!! SUICIDAL Donations and Volunteering and Campaigning!!

.......AND with recruiting SUCH YOUNG, EMOTIONALLY CHARGED, Emotionally,mentally,easily manipulated/indoctrinated AGES!!!!! ( and they say recent suicide bombers have all been YOUTHS!! pushed on by "elder sponsors and mentors "!!-who SAYS that Al Qaeda didn't take a Page from the DEMOCRAT/MOVINGON/DU Play Book Pages!!! )

No WONDER THE CLINTONS "spread " their messages and their REACH goes so FAR!!-----

With ALL THE MONEY THEY HAVE to throw around and BUYING PEOPLE OFF!!! : Who DON"T they know?? Who DON'T they OWN?? Who Haven't they Bought OFF! Black-mailed! ; Businesses, Newspapers, Reporters, Mags, UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS!! Art Museums and Hollywood??

COOPER'S WIFE WORKING FOR THE CLINTONS????

Who DOESN'T "work" for the Clintons in one way or another?

add that to the " Butt-Kissers " with their " want-to be-liked-by-the-ELITISTS-and-invited-to-parties-to-say-I-shook-Bill N Hillary's-hands!!"" ????

The "Good Guys"...the CONSERVATIVES may not always win again like they did thru some rare circumstance of events in 04'---but not when in 06 and 08 you take away a few dire events for the Conservatives to rally behind...add
ALL THE PEOPLE AND $$$ the CLINTONS will have! Hillary turning Conservative! ( gag!)

Conservatives BETTER learn how to start FIGHTING!! and FIGHTIG MEAN!!

Get some back bone!!!-------KICK OUT THE RHINO'S!!---TELL OUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMAN TO MAKE MORE FACE AND VOICE TIME OR WE WILL GET SOMELES WHO WILL!!"FULLY" EXPOSE RAGS LIKE THE TIMES!!! ( 20 republicans actually recently voted WITH democrats on the 2nd provision of secrecy laws that would ahev COOKED many democrats!! and then also remember those 14 judicial traitors??)

Conservative P*E*O*P*L*E* LIKE Y*O*U* AND M*E* MUST AIM AT THE ADVERTISERS OF RAGS AND CABLE AND TV AND PAPERS AND TELL THEM--YOU GUYS ARE TOAST !! AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOUR PRODUCT AND SERVICES THAT SPONSOR LIBERALS AND SOCIALISTS WILL BE BLITZ WITH OUR ADS MAKING SURE YOUR PRODUCTS AND THE TERM " ANTI-AMERICAN " GO HAND-IN-HAND!!

GET PETITIONS!! SIGN LETTERS!! TAKE THAT LOSUEY DAY OFF FROM WORK TO RALLY LIKE THEY DO ALMOST EVERY DAY!!

"THE COOPER'S WORK FOR CLINTON"????

CONSERVTAVES BETTER WAKE UP AND BE MORE ACTIVE!!

BEFORE THERE "IS " NO ONE "LEFT" TO SAY ,"...DID YOU KNOW THOSE PEOPLE WORK FOR A REPUBLICAN???"

Hey Freepers?? What can I Do?? Myself; just a kid?


signed,
TOM,
Say a Prayer for Chris my brother please.

p.s. -sorry....I just got alittle mad that recently just someone like "cooper" showed their colors ...again...: The New York Times!

The New York Times did it again with that CIA Air Operation leak just as important if not more than if the "Wilson leak" had been real!!--NOTHING was "done" or "urged done" by conservatives!! NO "Outrage" by OUR Senators!! Newspapers!! Etc.---but the Wilson thing!!WWHHAAOOO!!!
( and what ever happened to the OUTRAGE by OUR POLITICIANS when that Senate intell. Democrat leaked MEMO by one of Jay Rockefeller's came out!!! NADA!! ZIP!! all because AS USUAL the Conservatives ---just like Bush hiring Kennedy to help with the education bills---wanted to be "Liked" and work "bi-partisan"!! Some " big Noise" then nada! WHEN WILL THEY LEARN AND WE TELL THEM TO LEARN WHAT TO DO!!)

THEIR "members"..their "followers" ,..their " people who are bought off" did PLENTY!!

Where is the thread that shows ME where to SIGN and What VENDERS/Advertisers FreeRepublic will send OUR letters to telling them their TOAST for not just picking on " democrat" but for PICKING ON THE LIES!! and SUPPORTING those LIES even once the truth is out!!

before SOEMONE RIGHTLY TURNS TO me AND SAYS " WHAT DID 'I' DO??" i tried keeping up with some groups that actually DO somthing with the Young Republicans and the Protest Warriors..and tried doing some things myself to honor my brother like putting up flyers and posters..but I am a 1st year colllege student, taking care of the family since my brother is really sick again and can't ..and of the two nicheals I HAD to "rub together" : one went to support Our Troops and the other to my family...but you MEN and WOMEN!! My brother always BRAGGED! : "...when things look bad don't worry--you can always count of the FREEPERS to come through!!"

When is the next Freeper's march?--COUNT ME IN!! I am THERE!!


32 posted on 07/17/2005 10:43:14 PM PDT by AirBorn
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"wife is Mandy Grunwald; media consultant and campaign advisor to both Bill and Hillary Clinton......"


====

I demand a criminal investigation -- who first "outed" Matt Cooper's wife?! (/sarcasm)


33 posted on 07/17/2005 10:48:24 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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Now I read that Matt Cooper’s (the journalist who received Rove’s so-called ‘leak’) wife is Mandy Grunwald; media consultant and campaign advisor to both Bill and Hillary Clinton...

...and here's the "charming" couple together.

I think I am gonna hurl.

37 posted on 07/17/2005 11:07:38 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Embrace all who seek the truth. Beware all who find it.)
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To: icecold

It's beginning to smell like a Clinton conspiracy to bring down President Bush. Just look at all the players on the left side that have been identified so far: there is an alarming "6 degrees of separation" among them.


38 posted on 07/17/2005 11:14:02 PM PDT by citizencon
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The Gang of Four Is Back

Feb. 15, 1993
DURING THE CAMPAIGN, THEY WERE AT THE HEART OF WHAT was known as the War Room, the pressurized chamber in Little Rock famed for formulating rapid political parries and thrusts: James Carville, the raging Cajun strategist; his partner, Paul Begala; media maven Mandy Grunwald; and pollster Stanley Greenberg. When they failed to follow Clinton to the White House, their laser-sharp populist instincts were soon missed. Now Clinton has called them back, though just how much he relies on them remains a question. In room 160 of the Executive Office Building, aides have re-created the War Room. Around a giant table with a dozen or so phones and six television sets (as well as around the West Wing), the four spend time with top Administration aides, helping plot strategy. As one of the quartet explains it, "Room 160 is an organizing force."


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Cooper, who has worked for all three newsweeklies, is a soft-spoken politics junkie and a dead-on impressionist who has worked the comedy-club circuit. He is married to Democratic consultant Mandy Grunwald, whose father, former Time Inc. boss Henry Grunwald, died in February.


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Matt Cooper is married to Mandy Grunwald, and Mandy Grunwald is one of these high ranking Democratic Party operatives, and she currently is on Hillary's staff.



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Time magazine's Matthew Cooper married longtime Clinton adviser Mandy Grunwald in November 1997. Hillary Clinton even threw Grunwald a baby shower at the White House in July 1998. At the time Cooper was covering presidential politics for Newsweek.


44 posted on 07/17/2005 11:41:48 PM PDT by kcvl
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Date of issue: Friday, 23 July 1999

Guess Who Came to Dinner -- The White House List for Barak's Banquet

The following is a list provided by the White House of the guests at Sunday night's dinner for Prime Minister Barak, with some additional descriptions provided by the Forward:

snip

Mandy Grunwald, Grunwald Communications, and Matthew Cooper, reporter, Time Magazine

53 posted on 07/17/2005 11:52:20 PM PDT by kcvl
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Lisa Grunwald, a freelance journalist, is a former Contributing Editor for Life magazine and former Features Editor of Esquire.

Lisa Grunwald's husband, Stephen J. Adler is an Assistant Managing Editor at The Wall Street Journal.

55 posted on 07/17/2005 11:59:00 PM PDT by kcvl
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