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Was Joe Wilson, self-promoter the source of his own self-promotion and "martyrdom"? Inquiring Minds want to know...
1 posted on 07/17/2005 7:20:28 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: FReethesheeples

You know yur gonna get spanked for this, posting a vanity in Breaking, eh?


2 posted on 07/17/2005 7:22:20 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: FReethesheeples

None of this could have happened without higher-up CIA or state-dept approval.


5 posted on 07/17/2005 7:25:48 PM PDT by Alia
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"It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press."

I think it's more likely that Judith Miller and Valerie Plame knew each other, and that Plame was a source for Miller's WMD stories for years. Plame worked on the issues that Miller wrote about, and Washington is a small town.

I think that Miller is in jail to avoid revealing her sources... not on this issue, but for all her WMD stories. She doesn't want to burn her main CIA contact.

If anyone committed a crime leaking, my guess is it was Valerie Plame leaking top secret data to Miller for years.


8 posted on 07/17/2005 7:27:09 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: FReethesheeples

Whenever a person brags about 'how I made my bones', you know that person can't be taken seriously. What a jerk.


11 posted on 07/17/2005 7:28:08 PM PDT by carola
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To: FReethesheeples

THAT IS A GREAT HANDLE!!!!

Hehehe, FReethesheeples indeed!


13 posted on 07/17/2005 7:30:02 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Ping...

I suggested this very thing to you earlier...


14 posted on 07/17/2005 7:30:17 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Life's a beach - and Liberals are like the sand that gets in your swimsuit...)
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What about Matthew Coopers own wife, Mandy Grunwald? She's a Clinton hack for 8yrs. She must have known Plame also.


18 posted on 07/17/2005 7:32:27 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid! "ALLEN IN 08")
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To: FReethesheeples

You are most definitely correct. Dems love to play the martyr. Somehow they think it will help their cause.


20 posted on 07/17/2005 7:32:46 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: FReethesheeples

Anybody:

HAS JOE WILSON EVER TESTIFIED UNDER OATH TO THE GRAND JURY?


25 posted on 07/17/2005 7:37:26 PM PDT by linkinpunk
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It's been my gut reaction from the git-go that Wilson and Plame did the "outing," with a mind to disrupt the 2004 Election into the bargain.


36 posted on 07/17/2005 7:51:39 PM PDT by Solamente
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"Was Joe Wison Himself A "Leak" Source in Revealing Plame's CIA Identity?"

Yes


40 posted on 07/17/2005 7:55:06 PM PDT by Checkers
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To: FReethesheeples

"Was Joe Wison Himself A "Leak" Source in Revealing Plame's CIA Identity?"

Yes


42 posted on 07/17/2005 7:55:37 PM PDT by Checkers
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To: FReethesheeples
I'm sorry Wilson's wife is not hot.

And a Mercedes is the equivalent of a Chevy in Germany.

45 posted on 07/17/2005 7:59:16 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (4 More Years of NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!)
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If you get the chance, could ask V.D. Hanson if there could be a possible connection between Elias Aburdene (of Rock Creek Enterprises) and the terrorist supporting Muslim organisation that Judith Miller is in trouble for possibly warning of the raid by the Homeland Security people? Wilson worked/works for Rock Creek. He claims to be in business for himself but his office is still within their office, his email is still on their server and all his business is as a go between for Rock Creek.


47 posted on 07/17/2005 7:59:30 PM PDT by Eva
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What's the approximate date of the conversation between VDH and Joe Wilson?


49 posted on 07/17/2005 8:00:47 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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Wilson is certainly a prime suspect as the source of the supposed leaks. Joe Wilson IS Tommy Flanagan, the Pathological Liar (played by Jon Lovitz on SNL):

Announcer: And now, a message from Pathological Liars Anonymous.

Joe Wilson: Hello, my name is Joe Wilson, and I'm a member of Pathological Liars Anonymous. In fact.. I'm the president of the organization! I didn't always lie. No, when I was a kid, I told the truth. But then one day, I got caught stealing money out of my mother's purse. I lied. I told her it was homework -that my teacher told me to do it. And she got fired! Yeah, that's what happened! After that, lying was easy for me.

I lied about my age and joined the army. I was thirteen at the time. Yeah.. I went to Vietnam, and I was injured catching a mortar shell in my teeth. And they made me a three-star general! And then I got a job in journalism, writing for the National Enquire.. er, Geographic! Yeah.. I was making twenty thousand a ye.. month! In fact, I won the Pulitzer Prize that year! Yeah, that's the ticket.

And then my cousin died - Joe Louis - and I took it hard. Maybe too hard - I tried to kill myself. Yeahh.. I did kill myself! Sure! I was medically dead for a week and a half! It was a woman that brought me out of it - Indira Gandhi! Yeah, right.. And she told me about Pathological Liars Anonymous. Oh, you'd be surprised how many famous people belong. In fact.. at one of the meetings I met my wife - Morgan Fairchild! Yes, I'm a change man now, and all because of Pathological Liars Anonymous. Why, I - I even have my picture on the cover of Newsweek magazine. Yeah. Every day! Yeah.. that's the ticket! Yeah, you betcha!

57 posted on 07/17/2005 8:14:28 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's "cover" (even if she had not been a covert CIA agent at the time of the alleged "leaks")?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair.


69 posted on 07/17/2005 8:36:51 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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Shameless bump


85 posted on 07/17/2005 9:07:54 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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bumpity bump


89 posted on 07/17/2005 9:17:58 PM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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Wouldn't surprise me.


91 posted on 07/17/2005 9:19:55 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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