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Killers may have been duped
News.com.au ^ | 7/17/05 | Staff

Posted on 07/17/2005 8:03:04 AM PDT by DogBarkTree

BRITISH police are considering the possibility that the four key suspects in last week's London attacks may have been tricked into setting off their bombs, a newspaper has reported.

"We do not have hard evidence that the men were suicide bombers," a Scotland Yard spokesman told The Sunday Telegraph. "It is possible that they did not intend to die." According to the paper, one police hypothesis is that the bombers were tricked by a "master" who told them they would have time to escape - when in fact the devices were set to go off immediately.

"The bombers' masters might have thought that they couldn't risk the four men being caught and spilling everything to British interrogators," an unnamed security official told the Telegraph.

Lending weight to the theory is the fact that all four men had paid up their parking tickets before boarding a train at Luton for King's Cross, and that they all bought return tickets to the capital.

Moreover, the paper said, the men were carrying their explosives inside rucksacks, as opposed to strapped to their bodies as is common practice among suicide bombers.

None were reported to have cried "Allah Akbar" (God is Greatest) before setting off their charge - something which most Middle Eastern suicide bombers do.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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To: DogBarkTree

What a delightful piece of disinformation.


61 posted on 07/17/2005 8:58:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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To: DJ Taylor
Seems to me that this is all speculation, WHERE is the media receiving this "fact" about timers and escape time...it still looks like speculation in my book.

This leads me to look at the media and what is their intentions...why are they reporting this as fact... are they setting someone up or is it (which I believe) that they trying to quell the "angry citizens" to stop them in retaliatory measures against Mosques, muslim fa miles etc.

This article is a calculated ploy...reeks with social engineering...

This leads me back to further cynicism...

these poor little BRIT lads were nothing more than "criminals, bombers", and NOT terrorists. (yeah right!)

AHHH shades of political correctness having to be put in place before they can come up with a politically correct ROOT CAUSE(s)...

NOW that they are coming up with a "root cause" which is looking more like "poor misguided Brit lads" looking for a little excitement that crosses over into an appalling crime, then the root cause is WHAT...

Hanging out with angry muslim men (masters) maybe be bad for your (mental & physical) health

Accepting packages from people "masters" maybe hazardous to your health

Bored young men who practice Islam are susceptible to brain washing

Young Islamic men who may have struggles with "mental illness" are easy prey for angry muslim "masters"

"Masters" are "really evil" and that the "poor hapless lads" were "mildly evil

If Gr. Brittan weren't in Iraq and Afghanistan there would be more Christian males back in the streets of London to help unbrainwash the "poor misguided muslim slaves" since they might be able to help wrench them away from the "masters".

It is a damn shame that the media reports ANYTHING about the criminals that is any more than the following...

"Four Muslim Terrorists saved the tax payers court costs and docket time thanks to them possessing heads full of mush"...

62 posted on 07/17/2005 8:59:44 AM PDT by antivenom (If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!!!)
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To: DogBarkTree

This story is wrong. Here's why:

The bus bomber's bomb went off later, after the other bombs.
He was *with* the backpack at the time. A witness said he was fiddling furiously with the backpack prior to its exploding... he was trying to get it to work after it failed to go off.
Had they been 'unintentional' suicide bombers, that 4th backpack would have been left alone. And it would have been found.

Clearly, the bomber knew they had to be suicide bombers to 'assure' the 'package' gets 'delivered'.


63 posted on 07/17/2005 9:00:18 AM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Yeah unfortunately...I travel by car alot, and in one area my big choice is either him or Air America...so I have listened to both...and I agree with you...both are REALLY bad...

Have to admit...when he is sarcastic he is a master at it!

64 posted on 07/17/2005 9:02:32 AM PDT by antivenom (If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!!!)
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To: DogBarkTree

Even if not true I believe that this type of info needs to be put out there as plausible as possible in order to discourage other would be terrorists. Not all would be discouraged but some would.


65 posted on 07/17/2005 9:03:15 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Yaelle
Wouldn't the folks at the ticket counter in Leeds have thought that a mite strange if the 4 of them all bought only ONE WAY tix?

The terrorists met in Luton which is where they parked their car, then caught the train into London together. There is an airport in Luton and although they boarded the train at the town station rather than the airport it is a station where a mixed group of youngish people with backpacks buying one way tickets would not have caused any surprise at all.

66 posted on 07/17/2005 9:04:49 AM PDT by flitton
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To: DustyMoment

I agree...they are doing it because they are currently having problems with the WASPS (so unPC but makes my point) that burning mosques and intimidating muslim folks...the Brits are trying to "social engineer" this crime to include as many "victims" as possible...muslim appeasement...CAIR must be proud...


67 posted on 07/17/2005 9:05:26 AM PDT by antivenom (If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!!!)
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To: adorno
after the get their virgins that those virgins will soon lose their virginity and the jihadists will not have another go at another 72 virgins. They can't come back for another 72 virgins and they will have died for nothing

The hymens grow back every day.
68 posted on 07/17/2005 9:07:11 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: antivenom

"WHERE is the media receiving this "fact" about timers and escape time...it still looks like speculation in my book."

It is speculation, that's why it's described in the link as 'one police hypothesis'.

Obviously they continue to follow other lines of investigation as well.


69 posted on 07/17/2005 9:08:01 AM PDT by Canard
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To: DogBarkTree

It really makes no difference. Whether or not they intended to die, they were still murdering Islamic scum. Therefore, I am glad they died too, if all of the other innocents had to die. I just wish that they had been caught before it happened. This comes from the "religion of peace."


70 posted on 07/17/2005 9:13:27 AM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Canard

I am more interested in the "social engineering" the dispensing of "media controlled printed prozac"...


71 posted on 07/17/2005 9:14:57 AM PDT by antivenom (If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!!!)
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To: DogBarkTree

In a way, that makes them worse. Not only stupid, but murderous. They were perfectly willing to murder and maim dozens other innocent people.


72 posted on 07/17/2005 9:15:29 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: flitton

Do you think they really could have been duped?


73 posted on 07/17/2005 9:18:01 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

All Muslims are duped.


74 posted on 07/17/2005 9:18:57 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: IronJack
Didn't they say the same thing about some of the 911 hijacker/murderers? That some of them didn't know this was their "last" flight?

I do think it's a little weird that none of them left murder/suicide videos to glorify themselves...

it's an interesting theory, even if it's only that.

76 posted on 07/17/2005 9:23:12 AM PDT by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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To: cripplecreek
"We do not have hard evidence that the men were suicide bombers..."

Make that two aspirin.

So they didn't intend to blow themselves up, but they definitely intended to blow up a whole bunch of other people. That would make them mass murderers in my book.

77 posted on 07/17/2005 9:23:18 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
All Muslims are duped.

an absolute truth!

78 posted on 07/17/2005 9:23:55 AM PDT by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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To: Mad Mammoth; Admin Moderator
Reply #35.

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79 posted on 07/17/2005 9:25:04 AM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: All
They were murderers, that's a given....

but this morning I heard on FOX News that one of the homicide bombers had 6 more bombs in his car trunk left at the train station parking lot.

So why would he have left that there? If it's true - di they think they would be able to leave the backpaks there, escape before the explosion and then set off more bombs later?

Just thought that was odd...

the round trip ticket thing is not as suspect, since they would prob not want to arrouse any suspicion...didn't the 911 murderers only buy one way tickets?

80 posted on 07/17/2005 9:28:32 AM PDT by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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