Posted on 07/17/2005 12:41:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
I totally agree. Between this case and the Sandy Berger pilferage of classified documents, the efforts we make to secure classified information appear to be woefully inadequate.
Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?
It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.
Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:
He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.
Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.
Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.
I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.
However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)
Announcer: And now, a message from Pathological Liars Anonymous.
Joe Wilson: Hello, my name is Joe Wilson, and I'm a member of Pathological Liars Anonymous. In fact.. I'm the president of the organization! I didn't always lie. No, when I was a kid, I told the truth. But then one day, I got caught stealing money out of my mother's purse. I lied. I told her it was homework -that my teacher told me to do it. And she got fired! Yeah, that's what happened! After that, lying was easy for me.
I lied about my age and joined the army. I was thirteen at the time. Yeah.. I went to Vietnam, and I was injured catching a mortar shell in my teeth. And they made me a three-star general! And then I got a job in journalism, writing for the National Enquire.. er, Geographic! Yeah.. I was making twenty thousand a ye.. month! In fact, I won the Pulitzer Prize that year! Yeah, that's the ticket.
And then my cousin died - Joe Louis - and I took it hard. Maybe too hard - I tried to kill myself. Yeahh.. I did kill myself! Sure! I was medically dead for a week and a half! It was a woman that brought me out of it - Indira Gandhi! Yeah, right.. And she told me about Pathological Liars Anonymous. Oh, you'd be surprised how many famous people belong. In fact.. at one of the meetings I met my wife - Morgan Fairchild! Yes, I'm a change man now, and all because of Pathological Liars Anonymous. Why, I - I even have my picture on the cover of Newsweek magazine. Yeah. Every day! Yeah.. that's the ticket! Yeah, you betcha!
could you post to me the pictures of Plame? NOT the of her with the turbin on, but the one of her sitting next to Joe. I'm working on a "toon" and need that shot, but i cant find it, now... :( thanks in advance. :D
im sorry, i just found it..(the picture) it was on this thread.. :D
Okay & thank YOU!
Hey, Wilson knew FOR A FACT that Saddam had WMD and would use them against us if we invaded.
So how could Bush and the CIA be so stupid as to ignore what he "didn't find" while sipping tea in Nigeria?
Who said they ignored it?
He did. Bush anyway. That was the import of his NYT editorial that started all of this crapola.
Turns out that the CIA thought it was so important nobody bothered to ask him to even write it down.
I think we're smoking different brands .. you've lost me.
Wilson's complaint (voiced in his NYT editorial) is that his research in Nigeria was ignored by Bush. Wilson said he found no evidence that Iraq had tried to buy Yellowcake. And yet Bush had the temerity to say (citing the Brit intel) that they had tried to do so.
Wilson was dead wrong about Saddam having WMDs. Wilson was certain they would be used against the US forces--which was his reason for saying we should not invade Iraq.
My point (or attempt at humor) was, since Wilson was so wrong about WMDs, why should he have been listened to about Yellowcake?
Clear now?
Unsavory men and their wives certainly are making headlines lately.
Question: Which of these two bullying, lying men was married to
Answer: Both men.
In a convoluted way ..;)
I just saw Wilson and his wife's attorney, Christopher Wolf, on Hardball (Campbell Brown sitting it for the prissy one) and he (Wolf) said in no uncertain terms that Wilson did not become a supporter of nor start campaigning for Kerry until 2004. Your link clearly suggests he's mistaken or lieing.
Now it seems to me information like when Wilson became a Kerry supporter would be something a lawyer would get from his client so there's a distinct possibility that Joe lied to his own attorney.
Not necessarily an overly important fact but interesting nonetheless.
Unfortunately, I missed the fact that the Kerry people had a typo in their press release. It should have read January 13, 2004, not January 13, 2003! Later in the release they have the 2004 date.
I'm having the Moderator pull #122.
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