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Immigration worries Republicans
The Washington Times ^ | 7/16/2005 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 07/16/2005 2:34:21 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak

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To: AntiGuv
Talk is cheap. They've got all the money they need for it.

Well, if they lose because of funding. Then they won't have a chance to do anything about it. Looks like have just now noticed that they have a problem.(took um long enough)

21 posted on 07/16/2005 2:48:59 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: montag813

" Unfortunately those members and the President seem to care LESS about that issue than any other."


That says it all right there...


22 posted on 07/16/2005 2:49:35 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Support George Allen in 08!)
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To: Echo Talon

As opposed to rewarding the GOP with their inaction on an issue that is IMO the most important issue?

No thanks - I'd rather not throw my money away.


23 posted on 07/16/2005 2:49:59 PM PDT by Sirloin
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
This thread is in bloggers/personal but includes actual roll call votes on a recent amendment involving border patrol agents:

17 Sellouts: The Republicans that sold out America

24 posted on 07/16/2005 2:50:47 PM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: Echo Talon

I'.m not into "one-issue" voting, but I do think this is worth addressing.

I'm not so sure "little guys" holding out on funding would cause all that much of a splash? I don't know how much Joe Sixpack contributes? But it sems a better strategy than withholding your vote. If the GOP took notice, the water could easily be turned back on.


25 posted on 07/16/2005 2:51:31 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Don't trust Republicans to do the right thing. Don't trust Democrats - period!")
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To: Mears

In one of Rush's recent issues of his Limbaugh Letter, he wrote an article about it and said he thought the admin was way off the mark on this issue - and they needed to ask around and find out what their constituents were really feeling about it.

Looks like the GOP has found out by their survey that Rush was right. Hopefully this will jar them back to reality.


26 posted on 07/16/2005 2:51:35 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Oops, you beat me to it. Different thread but same vote.


27 posted on 07/16/2005 2:52:24 PM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

They had to take a survey to find this out!!!!!! Where have they been....


28 posted on 07/16/2005 2:53:16 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Sirloin
As opposed to rewarding the GOP with their inaction on an issue that is IMO the most important issue?

like they say, can't please all the people all the time. Vote democrat and see if that gets it solved any faster

29 posted on 07/16/2005 2:53:37 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
It is about time. It is about time that an American office holder who has taken an oath to preserve and protect the Constitution be held to it by the voters. It is about time that an American office holder understand what it is to have nationhood and a common language, and a culture that is superior to any on the face of the Earth based on the fact that the USA is the goal of vast hoards of immigrants, and that without controlled borders all of this is meaningless as is the Constitution.

It is about time for us to take action and only support those who are willing to speak truth to the issues of the day. Open borders are wrong, criminal aliens are a problem and must be dealt with, and, although off the subject, the WOT is a struggle between the West, Christians, Jews, and killers calling themselves the religion of peace, Islam.
30 posted on 07/16/2005 2:55:44 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Echo Talon

Then now would be an excellent time to decide whether their priority is confronting illegal immigration or if it's scheduling hearings on Grand Theft Auto, Jose Canseco's training habits, and Janet Jackson's tits.


31 posted on 07/16/2005 2:55:55 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: incredulous joe

Like I told the other guy vote democrat and see if it gets fixed any faster.


32 posted on 07/16/2005 2:55:59 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Echo Talon
like they say, can't please all the people all the time. Vote democrat and see if that gets it solved any faster

Sadly, I agree with you.

33 posted on 07/16/2005 2:56:07 PM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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To: Zenith
They won't stop until they take back California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Already the Dallas County Texas school district is primarily hispanic and now will not hire a teacher that cannot teach in Spanish.

I remember California before it was over run and how pristine it used to be.... no more.... it's bad enough they all come here illegally, they have to trash everything along the way and we have to change to accomodate them instead of vis-versa.

34 posted on 07/16/2005 2:56:11 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Sirloin; Echo Talon
It doesn't have to do with cheap labor. - They couldn't care less about that

It's simply that few politicans are going to risk a principled stand if they don't percieve the need to.

Here is an excellent analysis of 06 from The American Spectator:

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Yet no one predicts with a straight face the Democrats will be the beneficiaries of this stalled agenda (which is largely the Democrats' doing, by the way).

The conventional wisdom holds that the Democrats aren't gaining even as Republicans lose steam because the Democrats offer no new ideas.
Theirs is, in the words of President George W. Bush, "the philosophy of the stop sign. The agenda of the roadblock."

Even their fellow Democrats claim the lack of new intellectual offerings by the Democrat minority is the principal factor holding back a 1994-style upheaval in 2006.

Typical of this thinking is the recent strategy memo titled "The Democrats' Moment to Engage," by the liberal polling outfit Democracy Corps:

...the president's deep troubles have produced no rise in positive sentiment about the Democrats. Their thermometer ratings are significantly below 2004, with equal numbers offering warm and cool response to the party. The positive ratings (38 percent) are 5 points below that for the Republicans.

The Democrats can achieve major gains, however, if the party moves decisively to a new stage of engagement. They must poise [sic] sharp choices -- ones that define the Democrats, not just the Republicans and ones that, in every battle, make the Democrats the instrument for reforming and changing Washington.

This is hogwash and everyone in Washington knows it.

The moment the Democrats articulate an agenda, their already fragile coalition will atomize.
And we know from experience that as the election nears the issues debate will even out as the mainstream media's ability to influence the agenda gives way to the paid advertising of the major parties.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, the reasons the Democrats are not poised to benefit from the Republicans' recent lackluster performance are structural, not ideological; founded in hard electoral facts, not fluctuating public opinion.

To put it another way, the Democrats aren't likely to make major gains in 2006 because they can't.
During the next couple of weeks I will lay out the case against a Republican collapse, for good or ill, based on an electoral structure that rewards incumbency, punishes challengers, and strongly favors the GOP.

In politics, the saying goes, everything will be different in 18 months. "Everything" here refers to the issues of the day, the things we discuss around the proverbial water cooler.
But political realities shift much more slowly, if at all.
-snip-

Full story here

35 posted on 07/16/2005 2:56:40 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: AntiGuv

Looks like thats why they took a survey?


36 posted on 07/16/2005 2:57:29 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

I have to vote conservative,..but I always gauge my enthusiam upon walking out of the voting booth. Illegal immigration hasn't really been a big issue in my area, but I see how it could be pernicious in other parts of the country.

I was just visiting with my liberal mother-in-law in Delaware and commented how it seemed difficult to find someone who spoke English. She thought that was "neat"!

Last time I checked Delaware was not exactly on the cutting edge of the immigration issue. I couldn't possibly imagine what it might be like in CA, NM, AZ or TX.


37 posted on 07/16/2005 2:58:23 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Don't trust Republicans to do the right thing. Don't trust Democrats - period!")
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To: Echo Talon
I wont vote Dem , but I sure as hell wont vote for the current Republican agenda of illegal immigration. If the Dems get in so be it. The Republic will survive.
38 posted on 07/16/2005 2:58:48 PM PDT by Burf (Republicans are best served as the minority)
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To: bill1952
Unlike horse face, she isn't stupid enough to just say, "I have a plan."

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If she is sooooooo concerned about illegal immigration, why did she vote against more border patrol agents and a facility to house illegals until they can be returned to their countrie(s)yesterday???

39 posted on 07/16/2005 2:59:49 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

At this point immigration is secondary to just plain visiting requirements. The UK has no visa requirements and British citizens can just walk in. Europe is apparently teeming with islamic jihadistas ready to go boom. What we need is a readjustment and fast of entry requirements.


40 posted on 07/16/2005 2:59:50 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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